Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Rufus

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Those you mentioned were looking for the Messiah.
Those I speak about already know who the Messiah is because He has already arrived.
The 2 are nowhere remotely close in meaning.
Why this confuses you is a mystery but confirms everything else you've already posted.


Free Will
Here's proof God calls everyone to Repent

30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent

Here's proof even after hearing you can reject
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, “We will hear you again about this.”
33 So Paul went out from their midst.
34 But some men joined him and believed
No he doesn't. Learn to read. He commands all men to repent. There's a difference between effectual calling and commanding. There's also a difference between the supernatural, internal effectual call of God and the external call of the Gospel.
 

Rufus

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John said in the following Verse they "MIGHT BE SAVED."

That covers all of your questions about John 3:16/17
Only in your pipe dreams. I guess this means that you're not going to answer my latest question? Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
 

brightfame52

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This verse has NOTHING to do about my salvation so you warning me shows just how little you understand.
And knowing you know little, this is for you:

And again you've been corrected by those who know better than you do:

Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.
The world in Jn 3 16-17 is the elect, and they are saved by Christ
 

FollowerofShiloh

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No he doesn't. Learn to read. He commands all men to repent. There's a difference between effectual calling and commanding. There's also a difference between the supernatural, internal effectual call of God and the external call of the Gospel.
You don't think when God calls or speaks it's not the same as commands?

God spoke and light appeared...

But I have no problem with command. God COMMANDS <ALL PEPLE> to Repent. It's still holding ALL PEOPLE responsible for Repenting.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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The world in Jn 3 16-17 is the elect, and they are saved by Christ
And again you've been corrected by those who know better than you do:

Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Only in your pipe dreams. I guess this means that you're not going to answer my latest question? Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
You have asked me the same question 10 times now.
Did you get creative and think of a new way to ask it?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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I think it's funny because the Reformed are like robots and they just say the same thing over and over hoping you get mad and break.
But it's hard to be angry over watching something so foolish.
It brightens my day, warms my heart, makes me laugh so hard I almost cry and provides me to go at them with another jab of the TRUTH!
 

Rufus

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We do have a label. CHRISTIAN Christ followers. You aren't funny at all. Calvinists bear the name of a person.

There is a difference there. God also calls those are His, His children. We are not Calvin's children nor do we wish to follow his murderous example.
You could start a new denomination with that name. Why not just call yourself something biblical like The Way? :rolleyes: Also, I never called myself a Calvinist. But I strongly believe in the Five Solas and the Five Doctrines of Grace as taught in the scriptures.

So only those who are his are his children? But I don't get it. Don't you believe that God loves each and every person in the world? If you do, I refer you to my question in 2776. Would love to hear your answer.
 

brightfame52

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And again you've been corrected by those who know better than you do:

Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.
The world in Jn 3 16-17 is the elect, and they are saved by Christ
 

Rufus

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You have asked me the same question 10 times now.
Did you get creative and think of a new way to ask it?
No, I haven't actually. I asked you about John 17 and asked you about why did Jesus after he rose from the dead make himself unavailable to unbelievers since he supposedly made salvation available to all in the distributive sense in Jn 3:17.

But thanks for acknowledging my creative abilities. But even so...you truly have no idea.... :LOL:
 

Mem

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I think it's funny because the Reformed are like robots and they just say the same thing over and over hoping you get mad and break.
But it's hard to be angry over watching something so foolish.
It brightens my day, warms my heart, makes me laugh so hard I almost cry and provides me to go at them with another jab of the TRUTH!
There really is no use in getting your Calvins in a bunch. :whistle:
 

FollowerofShiloh

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The world in Jn 3 16-17 is the elect, and they are saved by Christ
And again you've been corrected by those who know better than you do:

Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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There really is no use in getting your Calvins in a bunch. :whistle:
They're fun to mess with. They only have limited knowledge because anything outside of TULIP is like a wounded fish swimming with the big sharks. So they have no choice to remain in these types of threads and you don't see them anywhere else. So I come here when I get bored because discussions with reformed minds are extremely limited.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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No, I haven't actually. I asked you about John 17 and asked you about why did Jesus after he rose from the dead make himself unavailable to unbelievers since he supposedly made salvation available to all in the distributive sense in Jn 3:17.

But thanks for acknowledging my creative abilities. But even so...you truly have no idea.... :LOL:
Jesus did His earthly ministry. Look how many Jews came to Jesus by Peter's preaching that rejected Jesus when He was alive. Jesus only showed Himself to His followers so they would preach the DBR.
 

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I think the line between either or as Calvinists seem to want to push a decision for, is assumed in a way not intended or found in scripture.
To those who teach that God does not effectively help man’s will to come to conversion before man’s will itself motivates and determines itself, I offer the following scripture for consideration:

It does not depend on man’s willing or running but on God’s mercy (Rom. 9:16); also: Who makes you different from anyone else? and What do you have that you did not receive? (1 Cor. 4:7); likewise: It is God who works in you to will and act according to his good pleasure (Phil. 2:13).
 

Mem

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To those who teach that God does not effectively help man’s will to come to conversion before man’s will itself motivates and determines itself, I offer the following scripture for consideration:

It does not depend on man’s willing or running but on God’s mercy (Rom. 9:16); also: Who makes you different from anyone else? and What do you have that you did not receive? (1 Cor. 4:7); likewise: It is God who works in you to will and act according to his good pleasure (Phil. 2:13).
Who has ever asked for God's mercy but was refused it? Are there any examples?