Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[HeIsHere]

That's why HEARING the Gospel is the key. It opens the ears. That allows the Spirit of God to input conviction.
Hearing = Believing.
Jesus said: 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. <---it begins with HEARING the Gospel.

Amen!

What more is there to say. Nothing.
It is the actual Gospel of salvation that is the key.. it is powerful because it is from God.
So often people are not be taught the Gospel.

 

[Magenta]

Repentance is granted, but “granted” does not mean “to effectually cause.”

Saying that God grants men the choice to repent is completely different from saying God decides whether or not men will repent.
Again it is reading into the text what is not there.

Talk about reading into what was said and adding to it... You are objecting to things that simply were not there.

 

[studier]

if they have the potential for repentance

And He's the all knowing decider.

I find it interesting to see what He sees as worthless...

 

[Magenta]

Again it is reading into the text what is not there.

Such hypocrisy - when I say it you mock it. Then you build a straw man to knock down. I'll add logical fallacies to the growing list of inconsistencies and contradictions put forth by you.

 

[Magenta]

That's why HEARING the Gospel is the key. It opens the ears. That allows the Spirit of God to input conviction.
Hearing = Believing.
Jesus said: 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. <---it begins with HEARING the Gospel.

Who opens the ears so that they can hear? Keeping in mind we're not talking about just physical hearing here... Verses come to mind now about bringing sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf. Who does that?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Who opens the ears so that they can hear? Keeping in mind we're not talking about just physical hearing here... Verses come to mind now about bringing sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf. Who does that?

The answer you seek is found in the portion you quoted of me.

As the Gospel is being spoken and heard, the Holy Spirit is working.

That's why HEARING the Gospel is the key. It opens the ears. That allows the Spirit of God to input conviction.
Hearing = Believing.
Jesus said: 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. <---it begins with HEARING the Gospel.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Is it just to punish someone for a debt that has been paid?

The debt has been paid ONLY for those who place their FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross. Those who don't remain in debt.

 

[BillyBob]

And to think, one used to be able to keep their noses clean for free by just bobbing for apples.

That was before Anthony Fauci came on the scene!

 

[Cameron143]

The debt has been paid ONLY for those who place their FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross. Those who don't remain in debt.

I agree. But others seem to differ.

 

[Cameron143]

The debt has been paid ONLY for those who place their FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross. Those who don't remain in debt.

Are you saying that on the cross Jesus only paid for some people's sins and not all people's sins?

 

[MerSee]

The debt has been paid ONLY for those who place their FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross. Those who don't remain in debt.

Romans 4:1-5
1 What shall we say then that Abraham hath found, who is our father according to the flesh. 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, yet believeth in him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reputed to justice, according to the purpose of the grace of God.

 

[Magenta]

The answer you seek is found in the portion you quoted of me.

As the Gospel is being spoken and heard, the Holy Spirit is working.

It wasn't entirely clear because you said it is the gospel that opens the ears, not the Holy Spirit of God... and that after the ears open, then the Spirit can convict. I could be wrong but I believe people can feel conviction over sin before their ears/heart/mind are entirely open to understanding and accepting the gospel.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

I agree. But others seem to differ.

LET 'EM. it's only "Theology" after all.

Theology is like noses - everybody's got one.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Are you saying that on the cross Jesus only paid for some people's sins and not all people's sins?

POTENTIALLY - it was capable of paying for ALL SIN.
Practically - When one DID NOT HAVE FAITH in it, Ten it profited them nothing.

The Biblical indication is that MOST OF HUMANITY will die in their Sins, and be hell-bound.

 

[MerSee]

LET 'EM. it's only "Theology" after all.

Theology is like noses - everybody's got one.

Theology of the Holy Bible.

Romans 4:1-5
1 What shall we say then that Abraham hath found, who is our father according to the flesh. 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, yet believeth in him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reputed to justice, according to the purpose of the grace of God.

 

[rogerg]

Are you saying that on the cross Jesus only paid for some people's sins and not all people's sins?

Jesus laid down His life and paid for sins, but only those of His sheep - the elect's- not everyone's.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep


[Jhn 10:27-29 KJV]
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

The same with believing - only His sheep will truly believe

[Jhn 10:26 KJV]
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

They only enter in by Him.

[Jhn 10:3, 9 KJV]
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. ...
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

 

[Cameron143]

POTENTIALLY - it was capable of paying for ALL SIN.
Practically - When one DID NOT HAVE FAITH in it, Ten it profited them nothing.

The Biblical indication is that MOST OF HUMANITY will die in their Sins, and be hell-bound.

Which is what spurred the original question. Do you believe there are people in hell whose sins were paid for on the cross?

 

[BillyBob]

Are you saying that on the cross Jesus only paid for some people's sins and not all people's sins?

We need to look no further than the cross itself!

Luke 23
42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Only one of the two criminals was forgiven!

 

[Magenta]

As the Gospel is being spoken and heard, the Holy Spirit is working.

It does seem from this answer that you are agreeing with the fact that God moves first... that God must move first...

 

[PaulThomson]

We need to look no further than the cross itself!

Luke 23
42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Only one of the two criminals was forgiven!

BillyBob logic: Someone who is granted to enter paradise must be forgiven. Therefore someone who is not granted to enter paradise must not be forgiven.

Negative inference fallacy... again. Calvinists never stop falling into that one.