Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
P

PaulThomson

Well-known member
#6,803
Oct 29, 2023
3,479
455
83
#6,803
Cameron143 said:
He was foolish for thinking it was foolishness. But regardless of what you think about my example, God says the natural man finds truth concerning Him foolishness.
Click to expand...
The natural man is one living according to the flesh, that is setting his mind for the time being on the things of the flesh, that is with instinct directing his mind. But the unregenerate man also has a spirit, which he may also be living according to, at times. That man is setting his mind for the time being on the things of the spirit, that is according to spiritual perception, with his spirit directing his mind. Romans 8

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

It is unbiblical to assume that the unregenerate man is always setting his mind on the the flesh, directed by instinct and therefore, being carnal, so that he can never perceive anything with his spirit directing his mind.
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#6,806
Mar 1, 2022
19,319
6,647
113
62
#6,806
PaulThomson said:
The natural man is one living according to the flesh, that is setting his mind for the time being on the things of the flesh, that is with instinct directing his mind. But the unregenerate man also has a spirit, which he may also be living according to, at times. That man is setting his mind for the time being on the things of the spirit, that is according to spiritual perception, with his spirit directing his mind.

It is unbiblical to assume that the unregenerate man is always setting his mind on the the flesh, directed by instinct and therefore, being carnal, so that he can never perceive anything with his spirit directing his mind.
Click to expand...
You make a distinction between the natural man and the unregenerate man?
 
selahsays

selahsays

Well-known member
#6,808
May 31, 2023
2,796
1,484
113
#6,808
@MerSee

Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

- Revelation 20:14-15

The second death is the death of the soul.
 
M

MerSee

Active member
#6,809
Jan 13, 2024
796
119
43
#6,809
selahsays said:
@MerSee

Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

- Revelation 20:14-15

The second death is the death of the soul.
Click to expand...
That is the eternal torments.
 
S

stingray72

Active member
#6,812
Jun 15, 2024
210
109
43
#6,812
John 3:16

King James Version

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


This is specifically speaking of the heart of the father and i believe that others will speak to Jesus and the holy spirit.
 
M

MerSee

Active member
#6,814
Jan 13, 2024
796
119
43
#6,814
stingray72 said:
John 3:16

King James Version

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


This is specifically speaking of the heart of the father and i believe that others will speak to Jesus and the holy spirit.
Click to expand...
King James was a Freemason.
 
S

stingray72

Active member
#6,815
Jun 15, 2024
210
109
43
#6,815
John 6:44
1718664717484.png
Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com › verse





For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him to me, and at the Last Day I will cause all such to rise again from the dead.
 
selahsays

selahsays

Well-known member
#6,818
May 31, 2023
2,796
1,484
113
#6,818
@MerSee

All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever." ' "

- Ezekiel 28:19

This verse sort of rules out the eternal torment theory, don’t you think?
 
P

PaulThomson

Well-known member
#6,820
Oct 29, 2023
3,479
455
83
#6,820
MerSee said:
King James was a Freemason.
Click to expand...
King James did not translate the KJV of the Bible.

But Westcott and Hort were spiritualists, and they did assemble the Greek text used by most modern Bibles.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.