Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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People around here seem to like physical to spiritual analogies:
43 Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth!"
44 And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, "Loose him, and let him go."
45 Then many of the Jews who had come to Mary, and had seen the things Jesus did, believed in Him. (Jn. 11:43-45 NKJ)
43 Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth!"
44 And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, "Loose him, and let him go."
45 Then many of the Jews who had come to Mary, and had seen the things Jesus did, believed in Him. (Jn. 11:43-45 NKJ)
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Can you give an example of rape being used as a Biblical means of God expressing His love for us?
Somehow I think it just goes to show how far beyond what the text says people are willing to go.
And then say it is justified because of x,y, and z, when it is not. Not much different than saying we
were kidnapped against our will when God made us alive. Would you like to call that Biblical as well,
and say too that it means God is an unjust tyrant and the offer of repentance is fraudulent and there
is no such thing as true repentance all because God made us alive while we were dead? Those
ideas have been bandied about and discussed here before also.
Somehow I think it just goes to show how far beyond what the text says people are willing to go.
And then say it is justified because of x,y, and z, when it is not. Not much different than saying we
were kidnapped against our will when God made us alive. Would you like to call that Biblical as well,
and say too that it means God is an unjust tyrant and the offer of repentance is fraudulent and there
is no such thing as true repentance all because God made us alive while we were dead? Those
ideas have been bandied about and discussed here before also.
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Perhaps I was mistaken to think it was you who said there are more options available than simply the two
of Arminian or Calvinist, because now you come across as wanting to pound me into some Calvinist cubicle.
According to the Bible, the fool says there is no God.
Do you make no distinction between what can be known via creation and the gospel?
Because the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
Gosh. I have said this many times.
Psalm 19:1
of Arminian or Calvinist, because now you come across as wanting to pound me into some Calvinist cubicle.
According to the Bible, the fool says there is no God.
Do you make no distinction between what can be known via creation and the gospel?
Because the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
Gosh. I have said this many times.
Psalm 19:1
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NKJ Romans 10:14-11:1 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
There are plenty of things here to discuss no matter what theological positions are held.
- Preach/Proclaim Him > Hear about Him > Believe in Him > Call on Him
- Scripture is either deficient or leaving things out that we glean elsewhere to properly - according to Scripture - insert into this string for a properly harmonized Biblical Theology
- [God] sends the Preacher/Proclaimer > Preach/Proclaim Him/The Good News of Peace > Hear about Him/The Good News of Peace > Believe in Him/The Good News of Peace > Call on Him
- "report" here is literally "that which is heard"
- "believed our report" can also legitimately be translated as "had faith in that which is heard"
- Please note the parallelisms here between;
- obedience and belief/having faith
- the gospel and that which is heard
- Men believe/have faith in / Obey the Gospel
- "So then " = Paul summarizes what he just said - I'm going to translate more literally:
- The Faith from that which is heard (the Gospel) and that which is heard from a spoken word of/from/about Christ.
- "The Faith" is pointing back specifically to what Paul has been talking about - belief/faith in / obedience to the Gospel/the thing heard
- God spoke > From what God spoke [came] the Gospel/the message heard > from the message hard from what God spoke > Faith/Belief
- The Faith from that which is heard (the Gospel) and that which is heard from a spoken word of/from/about Christ.
- They all heard
- The Proclaimer's voice/sound went out into all the land - their spoken words into the boundaries of the inhabited world.
- Moses had informed Israel what would ultimately happen.
- God held Israel responsible for knowing their Scriptures
- "a foolish nation" is a nation void of understanding/stupid
- That nation without understanding had not sought God but found Him
- God became visible to that nation that had not asked for Him
- Israel's problem:
- Disobeying God who stretched out His hands to them all day
- According to the parallelism above - their disobedience is also no faith
- Contradicting/Opposing/Refusing God who stretched out His hands to them all day
- Disobeying God who stretched out His hands to them all day
There are plenty of things here to discuss no matter what theological positions are held.
Look up the "straw man" fallacy. Nobody said rape is a Biblical means of God expressing His love for us. Nobody but you equated rape with love.
Kidnapped is a fair assertion of what some see of TULIP - taking people apart from their will.
An offer [of repentance] usually suggests a willing acceptance or rejection.
I did say that. I'm not pounding you anywhere. What you're saying is akin to TULIP.
Agree. Are all fools?
I make no distinction between what God makes clear to men for their acceptance or rejection.
And the Gospel is not foolishness to those who are being saved.
I understand repetition can be wearying and I'm likely older and more quickly wearied than you.
Agree. Are all fools?
I make no distinction between what God makes clear to men for their acceptance or rejection.
And the Gospel is not foolishness to those who are being saved.
I understand repetition can be wearying and I'm likely older and more quickly wearied than you.
