Did Jesus Forgive Us All Our Sins; Past/Present/Future

[ResidentAlien]

then why are you saying we must continue to work to maintain salvation or lose it?

I find it interesting that you say this when I've said repeatedly it's not by works but faith. Where do you get that I said anything about works?

 

[Polar]

It is true that Jesus predominately preached His Gospel to the Jews, no doubt about that. And you are saying that Jesus' teachings in the 4 Gospels only applied to the Jews of the day and that they weren't for all souls, past/present/future?

You are basically saying that Jesus' teachings in the Gospels don't apply to you. Jesus' teachings Gospels weren't meant for Christians? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would smack my head on a wall reading your posts, but that would hurt

reading your posts and how badly you interpret scripture, also hurts

smh

 

[Polar]

Salvation is an ongoing process. If we continue in faith, yes, we have forgiveness. But if not, we aren't forgiven. We're saved by faith and we persevere through faith. He died for all sins: past, present and future. But that's no guarantee that that grace will be applied to us if we abandon our faith.

"For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins." 2 Peter 1:5-9

uh.....

you are confusing salvation with sanctification

you are creating a salvation clause that does not exist. what you say is correct in that we are saved through our faith in Christ and we continue the same way, BUT it is not our faith that saves us. It is Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the cross on our behalf that has allowed us to enter into fellowship with God, through the blood of His Son

God saves to the uttermost all those who belong to Him

As Paul puts it:

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Polar]

Let's not confuse salvation with sanctification. People who do that, eventually credit themselves with 'working to keep salvation' It's subtle. Don't do it!

Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in John 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (verse 17). In Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “You are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30, ESV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an intricate part of our salvation and our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Theologians sometimes refer to this state of holiness before God as “positional” sanctification; it is the same as justification.

While we are positionally holy (“set free from every sin” by the blood of Christ, Acts 13:39), we know that we still sin (1 John 1:10). That’s why the Bible also refers to sanctification as a practical experience of our separation unto God. “Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity. God started the work of making us like Christ, and He is continuing it (Philippians 1:6). This type of sanctification is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14) and is effected by the application of the Word (John 17:17). Progressive sanctification has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified” (John 17:18–19). That Jesus set Himself apart for God’s purpose is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart (see John 10:36). We are sanctified and sent because Jesus was. Our Lord’s sanctification is the pattern of and power for our own. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account we are called “saints” (hagioi in the Greek), or “sanctified ones.” Prior to salvation, our behavior bore witness to our standing in the world in separation from God, but now our behavior should bear witness to our standing before God in separation from the world. Little by little, every day, “those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14, ESV) are becoming more like Christ.

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[ForestGreenCook]

On the subject of sin, Paul's testimony to Christians agreed with Jesus teaching. Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

I believe that the "Kingdom of God" has reference to Christ's church, and not heaven. Some will enter into heaven, that Christ's church discipline will not accept as members.

 

[Polar]

I agree with your Biblical quote, but there are many on this board that, through Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, all sin has been atoned for and is irrelevant because we have been saved.

I don't think so Arthur. Who has said that? Perhaps you misunderstand what people are saying. We have had or perhaps still have, some who think they live in sinless perfection. That, is not biblical either but it does not seem you are saying that

 

[persistent]

look at it like this-

steal from your job, get caught, get fired. destruction of part of your life.

cheat on your spouse, get caught, get divorced. destruction of that part of your life.

tell lies, get caught, no one trusts you anymore. destuction of that part of your life.

now, all these sins are forgivable , but the negative results of the sin remains.

What if you don't get caught? How about Solomon? Makes me wonder about his books and whether we are to understand something about worldly wisdom in a 'different', maybe worldly way, from 'Godly' wisdom? Seems certain parables are a bit difficult to understand without considering the deceitfulness of the heart and maybe there is a connection here with Solomon's seeming 'hypocritical' ways.
(Hypocrisy.......the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.)
I am not that familiar with what exactly happened with Solomon or most of the people in the OT and whether that signifies? I also have noticed that what seems to be a straight forward or relatively simple question is never just that simple and I realize that things of the Spirit can only be discerned by being in the proper relationship with God and so as I don't claim to always be so maybe this is just what I'm missing here. Maybe it's because I came to accept Jesus as my Savior very late in life and have sinned so much that I couldn't count them if I had many multiples of appendages. And also never was 'caught' for many of them. Certainly is 'puzzling'!!! I 'feel' forgiven but also 'damned'.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

This is a distortion of the truth. Do you confess your sins and ask forgiveness? If so, why? If all future sins were covered when you repented and called on the Lord, why keep on confessing? Why ask forgiveness? And if you don't confess your sins and ask forgiveness, why do you disobey the truth of the gospel?

His death on the cross was sufficient to pay the penalty for sin, but we don't get a free pass for all future sins by simply repenting once then forgetting we're still sinners. I can hear it already and no, this isn't "works based" salvation; it's faith based salvation.

My understanding of the scriptures on this subject is: Jesus died on the cross for all of those that his Father gave him, for the remission of their sins. As far as their eternal inheritance is concerned, they cannot commit any sin that will prevent them from losing their inheritance. God looks upon them as holy, and without blame, and says that their sins are as far away from him as the east is from the west. However the scriptures teach us that even though we have our eternal inheritance secured, and are born again, we still do carry the baggage of our sins by inheriting the sin of Adam. Paul tells us about this concept in Romans 7:18-25.

 

[Cameron143]

How many of our sins were yet future as Jesus hung on the cross?

This is actually a very poignant point and a focus in the epistle to the Galatians. Having begun with grace the Apostle exhorts believers to continue in it.

 

[ResidentAlien]

My understanding of the scriptures on this subject is: Jesus died on the cross for all of those that his Father gave him, for the remission of their sins. As far as their eternal inheritance is concerned, they cannot commit any sin that will prevent them from losing their inheritance. God looks upon them as holy, and without blame, and says that their sins are as far away from him as the east is from the west. However the scriptures teach us that even though we have our eternal inheritance secured, and are born again, we still do carry the baggage of our sins by inheriting the sin of Adam. Paul tells us about this concept in Romans 7:18-25.

I agree, there is no sin, or series of sins even, that will cause us to lose our hope of salvation. This is good, since our salvation is predicated on faith, and not our actions.

However, the scripture is very, very clear that we must hold fast our faith to the end. It's not their actions that will cause a person to lose their salvation, but losing or renouncing their faith. If salvation is by faith, how could a just God allow someone, who once had faith but later turned their back on the Lord and their faith, be saved?

I already know the standard answer: That person never had saving faith to begin with . . . yada, yada, yada. But that's not what the New Testament teaches. If you choose to believe otherwise, that's on you.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I agree with your Biblical quote, but there are many on this board that, through Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, all sin has been atoned for and is irrelevant because we have been saved.

Jesus was effective in remitting the sins of all of those that his Father gave him. However they will commit sins as they sojourn here in this world that will affect them here in this world, but will not prevent them from their eternal inheritance.

"The Kingdom of God" does not reference eternal heaven, but references Christ's church here on earth. By church discipline some of those that have eternal inheritance, will not be accepted as members of Christ's visible church.

 

[Cameron143]

What if you don't get caught? How about Solomon? Makes me wonder about his books and whether we are to understand something about worldly wisdom in a 'different', maybe worldly way, from 'Godly' wisdom? Seems certain parables are a bit difficult to understand without considering the deceitfulness of the heart and maybe there is a connection here with Solomon's seeming 'hypocritical' ways.
(Hypocrisy.......the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.)
I am not that familiar with what exactly happened with Solomon or most of the people in the OT and whether that signifies? I also have noticed that what seems to be a straight forward or relatively simple question is never just that simple and I realize that things of the Spirit can only be discerned by being in the proper relationship with God and so as I don't claim to always be so maybe this is just what I'm missing here. Maybe it's because I came to accept Jesus as my Savior very late in life and have sinned so much that I couldn't count them if I had many multiples of appendages. And also never was 'caught' for many of them. Certainly is 'puzzling'!!! I 'feel' forgiven but also 'damned'.

We can separate Solomon the man from Solomon the man writing under the under the inspiration of God. Scripture can always be considered the wisdom of God.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Perhaps you should read Hebrews... carefully.

What jesus thaught applies to everyone!!!
The Great Commission
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Peace!
JF

 

[persistent]

We can separate Solomon the man from Solomon the man writing under the und2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:er the inspiration of God. Scripture can always be considered the wisdom of God.

Simple as that?

 

[Magenta]

I am not that familiar with what exactly happened with Solomon

Although he was considered to be the wisest man in the world, Solomon did not heed God's instruction and eventually
went after other gods after marrying too many pagan women who turned his heart away from the One True God.

 

[persistent]

Simple as that?

Something went awry with entry of Cameron143

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

If Jesus forgave us all our sins, why did Paul caution us?

Jesus didn't primarily "Forgive us of our SIN". His SIN OFFERING On the cross CLEANSED US FROM SIN. Anybody can "Forgive" a "sin" that's just an act of the will.

It takes BLOOD to erase a SIN however. And WHEN (not "IF") WE SIN as Christians, then the Holy Spirit will convict us of that SIN, and when we confess it (to Him) then He'll forgive and cleanse us of it.

 

[persistent]

Although he was considered to be the wisest man in the world, Solomon did not heed God's instruction and eventually
went after other gods after marrying too many pagan women who turned his heart away from the One True God.

Thnx for that. First thing my head when video started, song from 'Cool Hand Luke', halfway thru, parable of the wineskins. I need read it.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I agree, there is no sin, or series of sins even, that will cause us to lose our hope of salvation. This is good, since our salvation is predicated on faith, and not our actions.

However, the scripture is very, very clear that we must hold fast our faith to the end. It's not their actions that will cause a person to lose their salvation, but losing or renouncing their faith. If salvation is by faith, how could a just God allow someone, who once had faith but later turned their back on the Lord and their faith, be saved?

I already know the standard answer: That person never had saving faith to begin with . . . yada, yada, yada. But that's not what the New Testament teaches. If you choose to believe otherwise, that's on you.

What scripture are you basing your statement "If salvation is by faith"?

Eph 2:8 says for by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. The faith in this scripture is not mankind's faith, but is the faithfulness of Jesus going to the cross. We are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ (Gal 2:16).

Christ's death on the cross remitted the sins of all of those that God gave him, and no sin that they may commit will keep them from their eternal inheritance in heaven.

 

[Cameron143]

Simple as that?

Either it is written under inspiration or not. As I read and meditate on the books Solomon wrote they appear God-breathed to me.
There are no sinless authors of scripture. Do you trust the Psalms of David. He was an adulterer and murderer.
Do you trust the books written by Moses? He too was a murderer.