Did Jesus take the punishment for our sins?
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strange you have no idea what my point was but yet youve questioned my point for 10 posts or. So
And your telling me to read Lazarus and the richman to see a point of view of yours that I have no idea what it is ?.
What do you want me to do, go and read it come back and guess what your point is ?.
Seariously 🤔.
And your telling me to read Lazarus and the richman to see a point of view of yours that I have no idea what it is ?.
What do you want me to do, go and read it come back and guess what your point is ?.
Seariously 🤔.
You keep moving the goalposts. My answers are in response to yours. I went back to the original post I addressed to show that what Jesus suffered was for our sins. Our sins were laid on Him and God poured out the equivalent of the suffering we would pay in eternity on Him. If that was your point all along, my sincerest apologies.
you said our sins where layed upon Jesus now your talking about past sins.
Befor the cross
I was talking about atonement for sin.
Your confusing the two.
Atonement is when you confess your sins to Jesus you reçieve reconcilation and make amends through the love of Jesus
This is what is ment by Jesus made himself the atonement for sin after the cross,
The reason he went to the cross.
The sin he bore on is shoulders was the sin that was in the blood of all man from Adam (Death) which he himself expressed atonement of unmerited love well befor the cross through his heavenly father.
His atonement of love for us was with us from the day Jesus was born the atonement started there.
Befor the cross
I was talking about atonement for sin.
Your confusing the two.
Atonement is when you confess your sins to Jesus you reçieve reconcilation and make amends through the love of Jesus
This is what is ment by Jesus made himself the atonement for sin after the cross,
The reason he went to the cross.
The sin he bore on is shoulders was the sin that was in the blood of all man from Adam (Death) which he himself expressed atonement of unmerited love well befor the cross through his heavenly father.
His atonement of love for us was with us from the day Jesus was born the atonement started there.
I realize English isn't your first language but our differences are semantical, but conceptual. You wrote that atonement is confession. I gave the definition of atonement and then you say atonement is love. That also is incorrect.
When I originally responded it was an earnest attempt to share in order to help. That hasn't happened. So I wish you all the best but I don't see any point in continuing. I'm sure that the fault lies with me, not you. Grace and peace.
When I originally responded it was an earnest attempt to share in order to help. That hasn't happened. So I wish you all the best but I don't see any point in continuing. I'm sure that the fault lies with me, not you. Grace and peace.
hi friend yes I'll just copy and paste scripture blessing I can't see fault in my words or yours maybe we have some lack of understand at this moment.
I'm checking my English today😊
Romans
25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.
As I had already demonstrated without reading the Bible the reasons Jesus died for our sin was not to be punished for our sins but to made an atonement for are sins,
We see that to receive the atonement there needs to be confession and reconciliation with God to recieve the faith of Jesus.
Which is the atonement in his blood for forgiveness of past sins.
for all believers must reçieve his blood (which means his spirit).
His blood is in his spirit and his blood washed the sins of the world clean befor he even went to the cross,
his blood atoned for the sins of Adam that was in all mankind.
This happened from the day he was born.
His blood was also Mary's blood,
Mary's blood was also Adam and eves blood.
Jesus would have atoned that blood and washed it clean from the day he was born.
So the atonement was way befor the cross.
Jesus still sufferered the agony of sin in the blood but his atonement was in the blood and now his spirit. So all tho he suffered the agony of the sin his atonement was still able to overcome the sin in the blood.
So this is where in lack of understanding because as we can see there is no punishement for Jesus because his blood was able to wash the sins of the world clean.
I'm checking my English today😊
Romans
25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.
As I had already demonstrated without reading the Bible the reasons Jesus died for our sin was not to be punished for our sins but to made an atonement for are sins,
We see that to receive the atonement there needs to be confession and reconciliation with God to recieve the faith of Jesus.
Which is the atonement in his blood for forgiveness of past sins.
for all believers must reçieve his blood (which means his spirit).
His blood is in his spirit and his blood washed the sins of the world clean befor he even went to the cross,
his blood atoned for the sins of Adam that was in all mankind.
This happened from the day he was born.
His blood was also Mary's blood,
Mary's blood was also Adam and eves blood.
Jesus would have atoned that blood and washed it clean from the day he was born.
So the atonement was way befor the cross.
Jesus still sufferered the agony of sin in the blood but his atonement was in the blood and now his spirit. So all tho he suffered the agony of the sin his atonement was still able to overcome the sin in the blood.
So this is where in lack of understanding because as we can see there is no punishement for Jesus because his blood was able to wash the sins of the world clean.