Did Jesus take the punishment for our sins?

LeeLoving · Wednesday at 10:15 AM

Or did he just die for our sins? This is something I've been trying to figure out for the past few months and have been unable to do so. As far as I have read, the language in the Holy Bible never explicitly says that Jesus took the punishment for our sins, but it seems clear to me that he died for them. Why does this matter? If we tack on that Jesus took the punishment for our sins without it being expressed in the Bible we may be believing something that never happened.

How does Jesus die for our sins without being punished? This is unclear to me, but Jesus was never guilty for our sins in the first place. He bore our sins so I suppose it's possible God treated him as if he was guilty for our sins and killed him for our sins without punishing him, I don't see the language in the Bible to come to the determination that he was punished for our sins, just that he died for them. Though the language may not be present in the Bible it may still be true that he was punished for our sins and that is why he died for them, but it really messes with me lol. I just don't see the interconnectory language that says he was punished for our sins (or it flat out saying it for that matter), it has to be gleaned from the text which really bugs me to do (because I'm often gleaning it based on a presupposition that he was punished for our sins and it's not in the text), and I don't really see an occasion for that.

LeeLoving · Wednesday at 10:57 AM

Well, this is the one verse that I can find that supports the view that Jesus was punished for our sins,

1 Peter 3:18
King James Version
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Jesus was put to death for our sins, so I suppose it could be gleaned from this that this was a punishment since he was bearing our sins.

Magenta · Wednesday at 10:39 PM

1 Peter 2 verse 24 (Isaiah 53 verse 5, Matthew 8 verse 17) Romans 6 verse 6 plus from 1 John 3 verse 5 ~ He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. “By His stripes you are healed.” Our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in Him.

Snackersmom · Wednesday at 11:13 PM

@LeeLoving : Isaiah 53 is a good passage, especially verse 5. I know it's in the O.T. but was referenced in the N.T. as a prophecy about Jesus' crucifixion.

Magenta · Thursday at 12:14 AM

1 John 2 verses 1-2

TMS · Thursday at 5:48 AM

LeeLoving said:

God is love.
But God is also Just.

When a law is set by God, He can break it or be fair and just. As God He is fair and Just.

The soul that sinneth shall die..
God said to Adam and Eve that sin would result in death.

Satan will claim that it is not fair or just to allow the sinner to inherit eternal life.

So God was in a hard place .... to be merciful and allow the sinner to have life but that would not be Just because sin = death.

Mercy or Justice.
Just one sin can result in death. God found a way to combine both mercy and justice. In the gospel.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

When we stand before God to be judged,
Like a court, we are guilty or not guilty depending on the blood of Jesus..

Why is the blood of Jesus able to pay for so many souls and why didn't Jesus die eternally??

Because Jesus Christ is the Creator and source of Life. HE HAS IMMORTALITY.
As God, Death has no power over Him.

But He took our sins and the penalty of sin. He died and was seperated from God the Father. But because He has life immortal. 100 million deaths could not hold Him down.

So when we stand before God and are judged, If we are covered by His blood, it is seen as more then enough to pay our debt. It is God's blood.
Justice is served and the price is paid in full.

So if He died for our sins it must be the penalty of sin or God can not be Just and true.

DavidLamb · Thursday at 7:09 AM

LeeLoving said:

Having read your post, I am wondering what you imagine saying "Jesus died for our sins" means. The bible tells us that the wages of sin is death. It also tells us that believers in Jesus Christ are given eternal life, in other words, the punishment is taken away from them. We are told by Peter:

“For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: "Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness — by whose stripes you were healed.” (1Pe 2:21-24 NKJV)

TMS · Thursday at 7:51 AM

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col 1:16-17
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

We can study this subject for eternity...
Jesus the lord of Lord's and creator gave His life...

His blood is so valuable we can't comprehend it.

Yes, He took the punishment for our sins.

Pilgrimshope · Thursday at 8:49 AM

LeeLoving said:

Death is the penalty of sin. Sayong Jesus died for our sins or Jesus paid the penalty or price all means the same thing

In the ot God established this

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭

Yet everyone has sinned

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether someone says Jesus died for my sins … or paid the price for my sins it means the same thing because sin requires the sinners death

Jesus becomes the propitiation to fulfill Gods word of death for sin. Gods word is fulfilled sayong “ the soul that sinneth it shall die “ as Jesus who has no sin , dies on behalf of the sinners. So that thier sins can be forgiven yet Gods word of judgement on sin is also fulfilled in tbat Christ died for sinners

homwardbound · Thursday at 10:04 AM

LeeLoving said:

talk to Daddy, directly, you know the one you and I do not see physically. I mean he was known physically
2 Corinthians 5:16 then 17-20, yet best to read the entire chapter and trust to hear from Father in Spirit and Truth and toy will know this too

Father knows the truth of the Bible
you know, when Jesus went too his one time death willingly, it was not Father punishing Son. it was the people, the Pharisees and religious leaders were doing and did that over Job security, these want to be in charge. This is why God has said to us, at least me, my righteousness better be better than the Pharisees (Matthew 5:20). And by Jesus's one time death willingly, he took the place of all peoples deserved death, that got placed upon all flesh from the first Adam in unbelief to death would be, if he ate from that tree. We, today have the second Adam Jesus the righteous one for everyone to believe or not consciously, who obeyed in Spirit and truth to Father perfect for us to be now seen as perfect from Daddy's view to either believe this or not in Thanksgiving and praise and not ever using this for any self gain here today, at least me thanks
As each person knows the truth in them selves too, thank you
God by Son took away sin for us (John 1:29)

LeeLoving · Thursday at 12:35 PM

DavidLamb said:

Having read your post, I am wondering what you imagine saying "Jesus died for our sins" means. The bible tells us that the wages of sin is death. It also tells us that believers in Jesus Christ are given eternal life, in other words, the punishment is taken away from them. We are told by Peter:

“For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: "Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness — by whose stripes you were healed.” (1Pe 2:21-24 NKJV)

I see what you're saying. Yes, it does seem like Jesus received the punishment for our sins.

Grace911 · Thursday at 2:01 PM

If it is true Jesus received the punishment for our sins, which is death, and I accept Jesus' sacrifice and believe that I, too, am cleansed of my sins, then why does sin still pop up its ugly head, and why do I still have to die once, but not the second death?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1Jn 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.

Are all sins equal in God's eyes? Do I have the right to rewrite what law I will practice? Or do I have the freedom to sin after accepting Jesus' sacrifice? Does that really save or am I still lost?

Magenta · Thursday at 2:58 PM

Grace911 said:

If it is true Jesus received the punishment for our sins, which is death, and I accept Jesus' sacrifice and believe that I, too, am cleansed of my sins, then why does sin still pop up its ugly head, and why do I still have to die once, but not the second death?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1Jn 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.

Are all sins equal in God's eyes? Do I have the right to rewrite what law I will practice? Or do I have the freedom to sin after accepting Jesus' sacrifice? Does that really save or am I still lost?

There is only one unforgivable sin.

homwardbound · Thursday at 3:09 PM

Grace911 said:

The fulfillment of Law is God's Love, revealed through Son to us all
Hebrews 7:11-12
That death had to take place first, it was the fulfillment of all Law, he came here on earth as Messiah, as perfect, born of the Virgin Mary in the tribe of Judah. To fulfill the Law and prophecies (Matt 5:17) He did that and then went to the cross willingly to take away sin from Daddy's, Father's sight first. What? Yet the unbelievers continue in sin, that is why sin is still here on earth, not in Heaven anymore, than k you Jesus and Father as Won for us all. So, we can now in the risen Son go to Father, Daddy, PaPa and ask for the new offer to us all in the risen Son and be given new (free of charge) from God Father's Holy Spirit to lead us, the same as Jesus has already done once for everyone to choose to believe, receive and see new and be new in love and mercy to all over the few, the first born flesh only knows how to do The first birth no flesh can love all as God has proven does in risen Son for me at least. I respond now over creating as I did try to create in first birth, I let go of that now and see deeply differently than never knew I could
It is Amazing grace given us and not us to me at least it is all God and I thank God beyond flesh measuring understanding Thanks

homwardbound · Thursday at 3:18 PM

Magenta said:

Which, I see does not become a sin unforgivable until one, anyone decides to not believe God consciously
I, say this because Son died once for all sin (John 1:29) sin taken away from Daddy's sight, left a free choice to choose to believe he is risen, where Father, Daddy, PaPa installs new life in us and we freely choose right over wrong, that is simple, not hard to do as gets taught is from religious leaders here on earth
Be wise as serpents, remain harmless as doves, remaining harmless is the not so easy part of being aware of the evil all around us here on earth, at least me thanks Magenta for your posts, all of them

Magenta · Thursday at 4:41 PM

2 Corinthians 5:15 And He died for all, that those who live should no longer
live for themselves, but for Him who died for them and was raised again.

From 2 Corinthians 5 verse 17 and Romans 6 verse 13

Grace911 · Thursday at 4:57 PM

homwardbound said:

The fulfillment of Law is to Love God with all our heart, mind, and soul/might and secondly to love our neighbor's as ourselves. God is not all about what He can give us, but it is definitely a two way street and to fulfill the Law is to trust and obey the commandments that are so graciously given to us, as a directive to travel, an instruction to live by and
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly furnished to every good work.

Magenta · Thursday at 7:23 PM

Romans 6 verse 23~ The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Magenta · Thursday at 7:32 PM

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit, 19in whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison…

Romans 5:6-8
For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Hebrews 9:28
so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second
time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Colossians 1:21-22
Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds, engaging in evil deeds. But now He has reconciled
you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence—

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but
have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

Hebrews 10:10-12
And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands to minister and to offer again and again the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God.

Romans 6:10
The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God.

1 John 2:2
He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Isaiah 53:11
After the anguish of His soul, He will see the light of life and be satisfied. By His
knowledge My righteous Servant will justify many, and He will bear their iniquities.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His
own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

Isaiah 53:4-6
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted…

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee:
he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Romans 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up
Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

homwardbound · Friday at 7:40 AM

Grace911 said:

Done by God and Son as Won for us to do the same through me at least, without taking any credit over doing it in truth, Father leading, oh yes thank you Daddy, PaPa, Father
If, I or any other takes or gives any credit to any other for doing good, I see deception taking hold, at least to me and I can only speak for me.
Oh, so how many times, I saw and thought 'I" got it, "I" can do it after trying really hard. Not seeing pride in my way, and acting better than others over it
"I" now thank God for me, getting buffeted over it every time, to learn new in humility and thank God that God is the only one that can do good through me
2 Corinthians 12:7
So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.
Galatians 5:26
Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Romans 8:18
Future Glory
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

By trusting God Father and Son is worth more than anything here on earth, even though troubles do come from it as well. Right is right, wrong is wrong
thanks for your reply

I read Romans 2-5, 6-8 to get a glimpse beyond this earth reality to be humble in giving Father and Son all the credit. Thanks

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