Die Now, In Order To Live Later

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When people wait to take their chances at the great white throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, in all likelihood they will end up like a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

That can be easily avoided by opting to become a joint participant in Christ's
crucifixion.

● Rom 6:3 . .Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into
Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

● Rom 6:4 . .We have been buried with him through baptism into death, in
order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the
Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

● Rom 6:5 . .Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him

● Rom 6:8 . . Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live
with him.

● Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ
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When people wait to take their chances at the great white throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, in all likelihood they will end up like a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

As stated in post No.1, such a fate can be easily avoided by opting to become
a joint participant (a.k.a. joint principal) in Christ's crucifixion.

● Rom 6:3 . .Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into
Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

FAQ: How?

A: This is accomplished by means of a special, supernatural initiation
process.

● 1Cor 12:13 . . For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all
made to drink into one Spirit.

There are two baptisms in Christianity-- one with water, and one with the
Spirit. Needless to say; when the chips are down, the Spirit baptism as per
1Cor 12:13 is the only baptism that really matters.

● Eph 4:4-5 . .There is one body, one Spirit, and one baptism.

FAQ: Can people obtain this Spirit baptism by means of a church service?

A: Nobody in church can do this; not even the senior pastor. Everyone has
to personally contact Jesus Christ on their own for this particular baptism.

● John 4:10-14 . . If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you
"Give Me a drink" you would have asked him, and He would have given you
living water.

. . .She said to him: "Sir, You have nothing to draw with and the well is
deep; where then do You get that living water? You are not greater than our
father Jacob, are you, who gave us the well, and drank of it himself, and his
sons, and his cattle?"

Jesus answered and said to her: "Everyone who drinks of this water shall
thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall
never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of
water springing up to eternal life."

● John 7:37-39 . .If any man is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. He
who believes in me as the Scripture says; from his innermost being shall
flow rivers of living water. But this he spoke of the Spirit, whom those who
believed in him were to receive.

In John 4:10-14, Jesus instructed the woman to ask of him. In John 7:37-39
he instructed the people to come to him. It's up to each individual to take
the initiative to do what says: come to him and ask of him.
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FAQ: Why do you believe that what Paul wrote about participation in Christ's
crucifixion applies to you?

A: That's a fair question; and deserves a straight answer.

Most Christians like to think of themselves as reasonable people. But at the
same time they must admit that there are supernatural components of
Christianity so absurd and so contrary to common sense that it takes a leap
of faith to accept them.

A leap of faith can be defined as the act of believing in something without, or
in spite of, available empirical evidence.

Christians are fond of using the Bible as empirical evidence to prove that the
supernatural elements of their religion are true. But that method is
unacceptable because quoting the Bible's sayings to prove that the Bible's
sayings are true is what's known as circular reasoning, which is tantamount
to a judge dismissing all charges against a defendant merely on the basis of
him saying he didn't do it.

Anyway, to answer the question: Paul wrote his letters to Christians. Well; I
sincerely believe myself a Christian; so, by association, I believe Paul's
teachings about joint participation in Christ's crucifixion apply to me as well
as the Christians to whom he originally penned his letters.
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Dying now - a great question

It is abdication to the ways of this world and living to things of the Spirit.
In non jargon terms, we do things in this world for worldly gain, which
do not benefit anyone but ourselves usually.

Doing things that benefit the Kingdom and others is Jesus's way, which can
often mean pain and difficulty for ourselves. It is this pain and difficulty which
is the cross and what Jesus bore for our sakes.

 

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FAQ: Just how extensive is this "joint participation" thing you're talking
about?

A: Christ's crucifixion was for the purpose of vindicating the justice system
of a very legal-minded God.

● Isa 53:6 . . All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; but The Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

(From here on in I'll just give the broad strokes without quoting Scripture.)

Well then, if it's true that God caused my iniquity to fall on Jesus' shoulders,
then as a joint principal in his crucifixion, I've paid my debts to the law of
God, i.e. I've given the law of God its pound of flesh, so to speak. There's a
very important upside to this.

Jesus went to the cross for me not just up to the point when I first believed
in the purpose of his crucifixion, but from then on too. In other words, my
entire life was nailed up there with him from first to last; which is at least
one of the reasons why the Bible urges me to reckon myself deceased.

Now, I am not only a joint principal in Christ's crucifixion, but also a joint
principal in his burial and his resurrection. So while I am supposed to reckon
myself deceased, I'm also supposed to reckon myself resurrected.

That's good because Jesus rose from the dead with immortality. So then,
since I am a joint principal in his resurrection, then I'm supposed to
reckoned myself immortal, i.e. my immortality is a lock, viz: I can't lose my
immortality with any more ease than Jesus can lose his.

Christ also rose from the dead without sin, so then, as a joint principal in his
resurrection, I'm supposed to reckon myself risen from the dead without sin.

There's more

Jesus is never again going to face death for iniquity. So then as his joint
principal, I too will never again have to face death for iniquity.

What can we conclude from all the above? Well; if all the above is true, then
I think it's pretty obvious that we may safely conclude that Jesus' joint
principals have heaven in the bag.

It gets better.

Jesus Christ is God's firstborn son; ergo; Jesus is God's primary heir.
Incredible at it may seem; joint principals in Jesus' crucifixion and
resurrection are also joint heirs with him in God's estate.

A joint heir is much better than off than a simple heir because joint heirs
inherit the entire estate as if they were all together one heir.
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I sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man of integrity who would never
knowingly mislead people. In point of fact, I'm convinced that that
everything he taught originated with God, whom I also sincerely believe to
be a person of integrity who would never knowingly mislead people.

● John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit

● John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.

● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
the Father taught me.

● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jesus instructed the Samarian woman that she could have the living water
merely by asking him for it. I've done that.

Jesus instructed his countrymen that whoever believes in him would be
given to drink of the Spirit within the very core of their being if all they did
was approach him for it. I've done that too.

So if John 4:10-14 is true and reliable, and if John 7:37-39 is true and
reliable; then I have successfully obtained the living water, and I have also
successfully obtained the Spirit within the very core of my being.

The steps I took to successfully obtain the living water and the Spirit, were
essential components of my baptism into Jesus' body.

● 1Cor 12:13 . .We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-- whether
Jews or Greeks, slave or free --and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

The awful irony of the standard Christian baptism is that not everyone who
undergoes it will make it to safety when they pass on; and that's because
they failed to obtain the Spirit and the living water about which Jesus spoke
in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.

The awful irony of the standard Christian baptism is that not everyone who
undergoes it will make it to safety when they pass on; and that's because
they failed to obtain the Spirit and the living water about which Jesus spoke
in John 4:10-14 and John 7:37-39.

NOTE: It's futile to depend upon the standard Christian baptism for
obtaining the Spirit and the living water; no, play it safe and speak up for
them as Jesus instructed.

● John 6:37 . . Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I
will not reject anyone who comes to me

● Rom 10:13 . . Everyone who calls on the name of The Lord will be saved.
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