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josh123
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that is exactly what is happening i mean i've proven my point by the SCRIPTURE over and over but i'm being condemned for it..just because it goes against something they believe
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Bryancampbell
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He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. - Colossians 1:15-17 NASB
Josh you took one verse and made a pretext, why not actually quoting more than one verse. Again Jesus was the Word who has no beginning....
Josh you took one verse and made a pretext, why not actually quoting more than one verse. Again Jesus was the Word who has no beginning....
Well I've told them I believe Christ is the only begotten Son of God, the fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells in him, he is the exact representation of the Father, and there is no way to the Father but by the Son. Christ died for our sins on the cross, and if we repent of our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and Saviour we are saved, and Christ is higher than the angels, only the Father is greater than the son
So basically I am accused of being a heretic because I will not accept a demand of belief for Christianity that is not demanded in the bible. And I have pointed out, with scripture that my believe is, according to the bible salvational belief
I've never called anyone a heretic, but maybe those who do the most criticising should look at themselves, before they accuse others
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Bryancampbell
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It's funny how he talks about the Father is greater than the Son but rejects the Trinity....Why are you contradicting yourself?
Josh,
yes Jesus was born and lived among-est us, so there is a history of Him in Creation and on this earth. But He was born of the Seed of God in His mothers womb, by faith believing. When the Angel told her she was the one who would bear the Christ Child she believed, and He was birthed in her womb at that moment. Elizabeth told her....blessed art thou Mary ....for thou has believed....! John in the 1st chapter says the Son 'Jesus', .....was in the bosom of the Father...... God has no beginning or end therefore Jesus was Divine in His Spirit Man and had no beginning or end. But yes! Jesus had a beginning into our history as human beings being born from His mother's womb. Jesus became a part of the Creation, but He was not created.
yes Jesus was born and lived among-est us, so there is a history of Him in Creation and on this earth. But He was born of the Seed of God in His mothers womb, by faith believing. When the Angel told her she was the one who would bear the Christ Child she believed, and He was birthed in her womb at that moment. Elizabeth told her....blessed art thou Mary ....for thou has believed....! John in the 1st chapter says the Son 'Jesus', .....was in the bosom of the Father...... God has no beginning or end therefore Jesus was Divine in His Spirit Man and had no beginning or end. But yes! Jesus had a beginning into our history as human beings being born from His mother's womb. Jesus became a part of the Creation, but He was not created.
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josh123
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But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. [h=3]1 Corinthians 11:3[/h]
When you provide my post that states I reject 'Trinity' I will respond, it seems more groundless/untrue accusations are being made. However, as I am sure you also consider me a heretic, I would be surprised you'd want to discuss it with me
The above is the plain text of scripture, but it seems that if you accept it you are a heretic
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josh123
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brother, the argument isn't getting anywhere so prove your point by the scriptures and i will do the same go ahead.
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Bryancampbell
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Heretics like to distort the word to what they want and feel is best. Heretics teach people that they don't have to believe Jesus is God to be saved. Heretics are people who twist the truth to make modelism the truth to themselves instead of the trinitarian belief. Stop teaching what is against the bible dude!
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Bryancampbell
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josh123
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Directly associated with the understanding on water baptism is the truth about the Godhead. The churches "traditionally" believe in three separate or distinct persons in one God. This was arrived at due to the scriptural mentioning and deity of the Father, Son and Holy, Spirit. The result of the fourth century meeting of the Nicene Council was to place them under the Trinitarian definition.Like the false so-called "baptismal formula, this "new" concept swept the expanse of the Christian Church and through the centuries has become so embedded in Christian thought that to question its validity is immediate heresy.The church lost the revelation that the one God, Jehovah, expressed Himself in the Old Testament as the Father, manifested Himself in the Gospels in the Son, Jesus, and revealed Himself in the Book of Acts as the Holy Spirit. In reality, it is three dispensations of the same God. God above us, God with us, God in us. NOT three persons, but one glorious personage, finally and wonderfully unveiled. The heathen intellectual minds of the theologians could not reconcile the appearance of the Son on earth to the Father remaining in heaven. They, forgetting that God can be in heaven and on earth at the same time, (John 14: 10), decided there had to be at least two in the Godhead and the entrance of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 made it three. They made the Son the second person of the Godhead, failing to realize that the scriptures do not convey that Jesus is in the Godhead, but rather that the Godhead is in Jesus. Col. 2;9,For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. They could only see that the Father was a God and the Son was a God and missed the true concept that the Father was God and the Son was the flesh or man in whom that God dwelt. (Luke 1 :35 and I Timothy 3: 16)The ensuing three personnel deity is every bit as much a form of idolatry as were the various pagan gods the children of Israel would consistently begin to worship. Through the ages, God "winked" at this encroachment, but the ministry of the last angel was to fully restore a true understanding of this to the elect.
Well ministers simply teach you have to believe Jesus is the Son of God to be saved, are they heretics too?
As for heretics distorting the word of God, you sasid it, not me, this is what the plain word states regarding belief for eternal life
Now this is eternal life That they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John17:3
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But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3
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josh123
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Consider this: Who was the Father of Jesus? Matt. 1:18 says, She was found with child of the Holy Ghost. But Jesus, Himself, claimed that God was His Father. God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, as we often express these terms, make the Father and the Spirit ONE. Indeed they are, or else Jesus had two Fathers. But notice that Jesus said that He and His Father were One, not two. That makes ONE God.
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Bryancampbell
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Trinity scriptures...
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" - Matthew 28:19
If Jesus and the Father are only in the Godhead, why did Jesus put Holy Ghost as a third person into the name of the Lord is established? Because they are all one Lord in three persons.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." ! 1 John 5:7-8
It just stated all three persons bore record of this truth, and that all three are one....How can you deny that?
"But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." -John 14:26
Jesus doesn't claim to be the Holy Ghost, although Jesus is filled with the Spirit. Obviously the Spirit is mentioned as another person sent and came from the Father.
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" - Matthew 28:19
If Jesus and the Father are only in the Godhead, why did Jesus put Holy Ghost as a third person into the name of the Lord is established? Because they are all one Lord in three persons.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." ! 1 John 5:7-8
It just stated all three persons bore record of this truth, and that all three are one....How can you deny that?
"But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." -John 14:26
Jesus doesn't claim to be the Holy Ghost, although Jesus is filled with the Spirit. Obviously the Spirit is mentioned as another person sent and came from the Father.
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Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed josh123 is wishy-washy in his statements? Now he is saying Jesus is God, whereas previously, he said the exact opposite. Next josh123 will say he never made the statement that Jesus was a created being.
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josh123
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they are titles... Name is singular look what it is saying in the Name of Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, that is Jesus
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Bryancampbell
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josh123
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This verse alone should tell you... If God is the Holy Ghost... this simple verse alone shows you the truth.. but you just won't accept it who is the Father is Jesus, God, now read that verse and tell me what YOU see.