Discussing lesbian advances with 14 year old daughter. Action/ no action conesquences

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thank you Roger. Good advise.
We talked to our head Pastor and he suggested we NOT freak out and pour gas on a fire we don't even really have yet
 
nobody was attacked or demonized. I'm just not keen on playing ostrich when there is a clear and present focus on this age group from the alternative crowd. I'm willing to make a plan for my kid. I got sound smart advise and we are executing our plan IN THE EVENT that this is what I see going on. I trust my assessment of situations even though we don't have to attack people. We can plan and prepare.
 
You are so correct. It could be a lot of things. I have pieced together the parts and I feel pretty comfortable acting. We have been observing this for a year and we do trust our daughter. I see myself as an artillery unit. I will be as accurate and effective as I can from a distance to protect my forward troops. She is mine and this is NOT the world I grew up in. Much has changed. It is a FAR more confusing and sophisticated landscape for young teens. The mighty media pumps crud in their heads all day
We need to do the same in our strategies..........they need to be altered to account for this change in what is being pressed on us.
 
Im a big fan of the homosexual community and trust me there is no agenda to turn 14 y/o girls into homosexuals. To be frank this cannot happen, being gay is the way we are made. Its not changeable in that way. Thanks for asking
 
chickenkiller said:
Im a big fan of the homosexual community and trust me there is no agenda to turn 14 y/o girls into homosexuals. To be frank this cannot happen, being gay is the way we are made. Its not changeable in that way. Thanks for asking
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many here disagree with me but i say that being gay is not a choice, we are all born with certain traits due to our dna and the chromosomes from our blood lines sometimes a generation is skipped of course but in the end sexual desires written in our dna at birth i mean i can look at a naked guy a millions times but i won't suddenly have sexual desire for him i cant just wake up one day and say you know what i think i will be sexually attracted to males.

If people choose to be gay do they also choose to lust after little boys or little animals? who in their right minds chooses to lust after a little boy or animal?
 
chickenkiller said:
I think those are different things. Being in a loving relationship is different to me.
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Anyone who is a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex is being unloving because love 'does not delight in iniquity, but rejoices with the truth.'
 
You can tell ,the very dangerous lesibian leads to the very horrible and miserable result.
 
Blain said:
many here disagree with me but i say that being gay is not a choice, we are all born with certain traits due to our dna and the chromosomes from our blood lines sometimes a generation is skipped of course but in the end sexual desires written in our dna at birth i mean i can look at a naked guy a millions times but i won't suddenly have sexual desire for him i cant just wake up one day and say you know what i think i will be sexually attracted to males.

If people choose to be gay do they also choose to lust after little boys or little animals? who in their right minds chooses to lust after a little boy or animal?
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I agree with you Blaine.
 
chickenkiller said:
Im a big fan of the homosexual community and trust me there is no agenda to turn 14 y/o girls into homosexuals. To be frank this cannot happen, being gay is the way we are made. Its not changeable in that way. Thanks for asking
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There certainly is an agenda to convert children to your lawless way of thinking.
 
Has your daughter shown any affection to the other girl? If she only views her as a friend then you have nothing to worry about your daughter however you have to be very careful and teach her the difference. Don't let your sweet daughter be controlled by the enemy
 
Blain said:
many here disagree with me but i say that being gay is not a choice, we are all born with certain traits due to our dna and the chromosomes from our blood lines sometimes a generation is skipped of course but in the end sexual desires written in our dna at birth i mean i can look at a naked guy a millions times but i won't suddenly have sexual desire for him i cant just wake up one day and say you know what i think i will be sexually attracted to males.
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If you spent your time looking at nastier and nastier porn and giving yourself over to those kinds of thoughts, you could end up lusting after the men, too. If you were molested as a child, it could also mess up your desires.

If people choose to be gay do they also choose to lust after little boys or little animals? who in their right minds chooses to lust after a little boy or animal?
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There are people who have sex with animals. I saw a little clip on a region in South America where performing obscene acts on donkeys was a part of the culture. Little boys would do it as a right of passage, and some of the men who grew up doing that liked women, but also donkeys. It's not nature. It's 'nuture'-- or rather guidance by others into doing what is wicked.
 
presidente said:
If you spent your time looking at nastier and nastier porn and giving yourself over to those kinds of thoughts, you could end up lusting after the men, too. If you were molested as a child, it could also mess up your desires.

There are people who have sex with animals. I saw a little clip on a region in South America where performing obscene acts on donkeys was a part of the culture. Little boys would do it as a right of passage, and some of the men who grew up doing that liked women, but also donkeys. It's not nature. It's 'nuture'-- or rather guidance by others into doing what is wicked.
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You can watch such nasty porn but that doesn't mean you will begin to lust after mean because no matter how many times you watch those things if the desire for men is not in you to begin with then all you will achieve from that is the worlds record for most vomit, I was molested as a child yet i never had such issues. I have known guys who wanted to be gay they did everything right they dressed like them they talked like them the walked the walk however they could never get aroused when in bed with other men, i was always the kind of person people felt comfortable talking to and they told me how it hurt that they just couldn't couldn't get aroused by other men they faked it but the desire never seemed to show up.

If it were a choice then those guys i talked to would have gotten aroused in bed, the thing is no matter how badly they wanted to be gay in the end they had to face the shattering reality that they were not, some of them moved on others kind of went into a spiral of depression. but the point is you cannot force yourself to be something your not i mean i can try to force myself to be the cool bad boy who doesn't give a crap about anything but in the end i am not i am a nerdy gentle childish kid
 
Blain said:
many here disagree with me but i say that being gay is not a choice, we are all born with certain traits due to our dna and the chromosomes from our blood lines sometimes a generation is skipped of course but in the end sexual desires written in our dna at birth i mean i can look at a naked guy a millions times but i won't suddenly have sexual desire for him i cant just wake up one day and say you know what i think i will be sexually attracted to males.

If people choose to be gay do they also choose to lust after little boys or little animals? who in their right minds chooses to lust after a little boy or animal?
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You are in disagreement with Jesus. Jesus said in Romans 1 that they choose to do those things even though they know the recompense for doing them.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

In a general sense all men tend toward sin. In a real sense Sodomites cross every natural barrier to do those things which God hates and they thumb their nose at God while they do them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Blain said:
You can watch such nasty porn but that doesn't mean you will begin to lust after mean because no matter how many times you watch those things if the desire for men is not in you to begin with then all you will achieve from that is the worlds record for most vomit, I was molested as a child yet i never had such issues. I have known guys who wanted to be gay they did everything right they dressed like them they talked like them the walked the walk however they could never get aroused when in bed with other men, i was always the kind of person people felt comfortable talking to and they told me how it hurt that they just couldn't couldn't get aroused by other men they faked it but the desire never seemed to show up.

If it were a choice then those guys i talked to would have gotten aroused in bed, the thing is no matter how badly they wanted to be gay in the end they had to face the shattering reality that they were not, some of them moved on others kind of went into a spiral of depression. but the point is you cannot force yourself to be something your not i mean i can try to force myself to be the cool bad boy who doesn't give a crap about anything but in the end i am not i am a nerdy gentle childish kid
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I know a guy who is a Christian in ministry now. But before, he used to be a peeping Tom. He was into sexual perversion, and he went through a phase where he was confused about his sexuality. He liked women, but it was giving in to perversion that opened him up to it. A street evangelist I was talking to said that he'd sense a spirit on certain men and perceive that they had a problem with homosexuality. Some would be considered 'straight' but the'd started having homosexual thoughts, and typically these were men who had a problem with porn.

Everyone is different. You may have no attraction to men. I don't either. I can't tell if a man is good looking or not. I have to guess based on reactions or the fact that an actor is the leading man in a movie. I can certainly tell if I think a woman is good looking.

Maybe if you watched nastier and nastier porn every day, you wouldn't be attracted to me. Maybe a handful of men you talked to who acted gay aren't either. That doesn't mean everyone is that way. There are men and women out there who call themselves 'bi-sexual.' Such people do exist.

If a man is attracted to men, unless he is assaulted, he chooses whether or not he will engage in sexual perversion with them. He may not choose to have the propensity to be attracted, but he chooses what he does with his hand and his body, in most cases.
 
Everything you described seems like normal childhood friendship. At most, it is just a little girl with a crush on your daughter, and likely, nothing will become of it. As someone in the process of converting to Christianity, and a lesbian, I can assure you that there is no indoctrination process, and another young girl liking your daughter should have no affect on your daughter's sexual orientation. If you are worried, you should talk to your daughter about this, explaining to her why you are worried and how she feels about the situation. What you should not do is ban your daughter from being friends with this girl, as you have no evidence of anything more than friendship between them and this will only drive your daughter away from you.
 
I have been working with kids 4 to 12 years old for many years. I've raised 3 sons to adulthood and am a grandparent to 2.

Absolutely nothing you've posted sounds sexual at all. In fact it sounds like you are acting out of your own fears. God doesn't wish for you to parent in fear but in love. Ask God to give you love for your child's friends. I promise you, you'll see things you wouldn't believe.
God bless.
 
Blain said:
many here disagree with me but i say that being gay is not a choice, we are all born with certain traits due to our dna and the chromosomes from our blood lines sometimes a generation is skipped of course but in the end sexual desires written in our dna at birth i mean i can look at a naked guy a millions times but i won't suddenly have sexual desire for him i cant just wake up one day and say you know what i think i will be sexually attracted to males.

If people choose to be gay do they also choose to lust after little boys or little animals? who in their right minds chooses to lust after a little boy or animal?
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I rarely ever disagree with you Blain, but this time I have to. I do not believe that God created us with any homosexual desires whatsoever, I do believe that there are spirits of homosexuality that can be passed down thru the bloodlines (familiar spirits) and I also believe that those same spirits can be transmitted thru homosexual acts committed on others , willingly or unwillingly.
 
I don't have kids so I may not know what I am talking about but I think that ensuring that children have the proper tools to make it to Heaven should start way before their teen years,look at the problem that you are having maybe if you started teaching her self control and propriety back when every other inlet to her was teaching against it maybe you wouldn't be having this problem now.

Im not trying to be a jerk or make a worse situation for you but the world economy collapsed largely because people relied on the local educational system to teach their kids what is parents responsibility.

Im 41 and I remember when women's liberation first started really taking hold back in the 80`s the female teachers said to the girls in my class on more than one occasion that"you are liberated so you can do whatever you want" they never said that that means that you should do whatever you want.

So now we have a new generation of women who don't want to be married and be a faithful wife and mother because it's no fun they'd rather hang out with their school friends and chase boys for decades as a result those trillions of dollars that are put into economy just by families subsiding isn't there now THATS why the world economy collapsed it wasn't a real estate crises or a periodic market fluctuation.

It was because of people like you that mistakenly thought that just because she's a cute little girl at 8 that never causes trouble so you don't have to worry about her or invest time and energy into her spiritual or moral well being now look at the trouble that you are having you were start teaching her self control, self respect,self awareness and accountability BEFORE she got to this stage.

If you don't believe me? do the math yourself the money that was once the foundation of most world economies was the money that families bring in with energy expenditures ,the utilities bills go up with families it costs more money for gas to drive them around to school appointments, extracurricular activities.

You remember how cheap it was being single right? Look at how much you are paying now....you see the difference? It's that difference that is missing from the world economies thats why they collapsed.

As it turns out God was right fornication really is THAT bad,this is a perfect example of why I says that the Bible is not meant to be interpreted by us to fit our lives...He means what He says literally.

I think that ANY sex outside of the institution of marriage is wrong not for religious reasons but practical reasons so im not standing up for homosexuals when I say that the collapse of the world economy is largely due to progressive,independent,forward thinking HETEROSEXUALS

They didn't mean no harm they was just having fun,well that fun brought upons us the end of the world,we started regressing back to are primal self thousands of years ago but when we showed GOD that we are conciously CHOOSING to not procreate and those that are procreating ARE NOT taking their responsibility as parents seriously and teaching their children the very principles that separate us from 4 legged animals that's when He decided that thats it time to end it all.
 
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