"Disobedience", the Three Lies of Satan, and the Last Generation

[Dino246]

1. In the book The Great Controversy, Ellen White writes: "The Bible clearly states that the dead know not anything (Ecclesiastes 9:5). The message given to Saul was from a spirit pretending to be Samuel, but it was not really Samuel. It was a counterfeit, an illusion brought by the power of Satan to deceive Saul. The dead are asleep until the resurrection."

You quote Ellen White, a cult founder, as evidence for your view on the appearance of Samuel after his death? Okay. That explains a few things.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree, 1 Samuel 28 is a significant and complex passage, able to stretch our "belief" and spiritual understanding muscles

Context of 1 Samuel 28: Saul and the Witch of Endor

In 1 Samuel 28, King Saul, in desperation, seeks guidance from the deceased prophet Samuel after God has stopped communicating with him. Saul visits the witch of Endor, a medium, and asks her to summon Samuel’s spirit. The witch appears to summon a figure that identifies itself as Samuel, and the figure speaks to Saul, prophesying his downfall and death.

Key Bible Verses in 1 Samuel 28:11-20:

• 1 Samuel 28:11-14: "Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself."
• 1 Samuel 28:15-19: The figure speaks to Saul, predicting his defeat in battle and his death, along with the death of his sons.

Relying on our Biblical understanding of Spiritualism as being an underlying deception of Satan, ( Lie #1 )
The Bible provides insight that supports the understanding of this apparition as demonic. A few key elements in the passage and related texts highlight that what Saul encountered was not the real Samuel.

• 1 Samuel 28:13-14: The medium (witch) describes seeing "gods ascending out of the earth." This description suggests a supernatural or non-human presence, which is more consistent with demonic activity than with a true spirit of a human.
• Deuteronomy 18:10-12: God clearly forbids practices such as necromancy, divination, and spiritism. If God condemns these practices, it is unlikely that He would allow the real Samuel to appear through a witch, which would contradict His law.
  • "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord."
• Isaiah 8:19 also warns against seeking counsel from mediums and spiritists:
  "And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?" This suggests that seeking spiritual knowledge through mediums or the dead is contrary to God's will.
• The Dead are Unconscious: The Bible consistently teaches that the dead are unconscious, awaiting the resurrection. Job 14:12 says, "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep."
• Psalm 115:17 states, "The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence."

The Demonic Apparition Interpretation:

1. In the book The Great Controversy, Ellen White writes: "The Bible clearly states that the dead know not anything (Ecclesiastes 9:5). The message given to Saul was from a spirit pretending to be Samuel, but it was not really Samuel. It was a counterfeit, an illusion brought by the power of Satan to deceive Saul. The dead are asleep until the resurrection."

• Ecclesiastes 9:5: "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

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Evil, does try to imitate God, I see that deep.In my own experiences here on earth.
A copy-Cat. Looks good, speaks well, and concise, beware of the concision
Thanks for this post Rob7
Informative

 

[Rob7]

You quote Ellen White, a cult founder, as evidence for your view on the appearance of Samuel after his death? Okay. That explains a few things.

Actually I quoted and reasoned Scripture as evidence for the understanding that what appeared in 1 Samuel 28, was demon, and NOT "Samuel's spirit".

My quoting Ellen White was non- Biblical confirmation, from someone whom I believe, along with millions of others, was divinely inspired in her writings, by God, to give A Final End of Days witness to the Righteousness of Christ, just as the many Prophets who have come before have revealed GOD'S BIG EVENTS... as warnings & encouragement for God's People to Do The Right Thing,
The Righteous things, The Righteousness of Christ. => Obedience to God !!

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

Of course, THE WORLD ... Does NOT agree with nor like what Ellen White teaches about the Righteousness of Christ to salvation, because IT IS THE TRUTH, The Way, to Life, obedience to God, which THE RELIGIOUS WORLD is rebellious against, due to believing the 3 Lies of Satan, rather than believing Jesus, and His Righteousness.

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[Dino246]

Ellen White was … divinely inspired in her writings, by God

Enough said. I will treat your views and comments accordingly.

 

[Rob7]

Here's a short video, explaining Immanuel Kant's Theory of HOW/WHY mainstream Christianity ( Sunday Keepers ) are believing Satan's Lies. Following a religion of disobedience and dishonor to God, while being delusional in their confidence that they are believing and following Jesus and His Righteousness.

How Stupidity Slowly Destroyed Our Society | Kant's Theory

God is saying to us NOW !

Revelation 14: 6-12
6 And I saw another angel fly in the middle of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. ( Honor God & Keep His Seventh Day Holy )
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. ( The Papacy's Doctrines / Religion of Disobedience) ="Antichrist"
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, ( The MOTB - Forced / Legal Sunday Law, direct defiance to God's Law )
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Saints = True Christians)

 

[Brasspen]

We will find out that those temptations in the garden of Eden, are very good example of temptations from not just the devil, but also man. Temptations coming from man is what I believe, coming from the devil also. The garden of Eden is very important bible lesson to learn, because of learning those temptations that was used on Eve. You can see more temptations coming against Jesus, in the NT, and how Jesus won the fight.

The devil first had to find out what Eve's safe guard was, then he removed it with a lie. After the wall was down, he then tempted her to eat.

 

[Rob7]

@Brasspen
Amen Brother !
Satan's temptations on mankind TODAY is what concerns me ... NOW being MY TURN at a PROBATIONARY LIFE.

Thank you Father God !

By man believing Satan in the Garden, rather than God, we have found out that having the spirit of disobedience leads to eternal death, while obedience leads to eternal life, in heaven with God, a return to Eden. Very simple to understand.

God had Moses write the story of Cain & Able to illustrate this concept of obedience and disobedience, so that we TODAY, might understand.

My point being, that mankind TODAY, has developed their own religion of disobedience, nominal "Christianity" ... Satan having deceived mankind into believing, that the soul that sins, "shall surely NOT DIE.".. => Believing Satan's Lie...

Jesus says, "If you Love me ... KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" While most ALL these denominational churches say ... "We don't have to obey, ( "The Laws been done away with") ... while believing they are "Children of God" and fit for heaven ...
Jesus said, "Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say?" Luke 6:46 ... This verse challenges the authenticity of faith that is expressed only in words, not in actions.

Man says; ... the Law has been done away with"... , so they keep the counterfeit sabbath of the Anti-Christ, rather than God's 7th Day Sabbath.

The Sabbath is God's mark of authority as the Creator God of Heaven, Earth and man.
The Sabbath is our weekly appointed time to rest in Jesus. ( I Love the Sabbath )

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die. 

5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
9 Has walked in my statutes, and has kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, says the Lord GOD.

~~ Blessed Sabbath, Y'all ~~
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