Dispensationalism

[Tessy]

Now why would I rip out a page!!! It's all profitable! If I ripped out Mathew I wouldn't see the beauty of the sermon on the mount! How the Lord put the law in its rightful place! The Lord Jesus and I know there is no way on planet earth man can do it! See that's why he came down off the mount and cleansed a leper!! Oh my the beauty! And do you eat Pork do you observe the sabbath? Are you under the law?? The bible is all written for us it's just not all directed to us!

 

[RickyZ]

There's a lot of people who think that parts of the Bible don't apply to them. I always suggest they get a Bible they don't mind defacing, and every time they find a part they think doesn't apply they should rip that page out. Then at the end of a year, they should look back at just how much of God's word they have dismissed as irrelevant to them.

Do I eat pork? Thanks To Jesus yes I do. But the point of the pork prohibition is to abstain from unclean things. And it applies today because we likewise should abstain from the unclean things of today. Pork is no longer on that list but things like lust and idolatry still are. So while God in that dispensation told those of old to not eat unclean pork, in this dispensation it still applies that we are to likewise abstain from the unclean things of our day.

 

[John146]

There's a lot of people who think that parts of the Bible don't apply to them. I always suggest they get a Bible they don't mind defacing, and every time they find a part they think doesn't apply they should rip that page out. Then at the end of a year, they should look back at just how much of God's word they have dismissed as irrelevant to them.

Do I eat pork? Thanks To Jesus yes I do. But the point of the pork prohibition is to abstain from unclean things. And it applies today because we likewise should abstain from the unclean things of today. Pork is no longer on that list but things like lust and idolatry still are. So while God in that dispensation told those of old to not eat unclean pork, in this dispensation it still applies that we are to likewise abstain from the unclean things of our day.

Application and doctrine are 2 different things. Not all of Scripture is doctrine to us, Church Age believers. All the Bible is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

 

[Tessy]

Personally, from what I have been reading I don't understand why I need dispensationalism to understand the bible. But that's just me.

hmmmm? ok. It is imperative to understanding the bible. As I said before Peter coined the phrase the PRESENT TRUTH. What was true of Adam and Eve..not eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is obviously not for us today! That is kind of a no brainer. ( yes I recognize that faith is the way any of us our saved both Old and New Test) But lets take this example a step further ..Mathew 25 :31 -36. It is a passage where Jesus is describing how he is going to Judge people when he comes back to set up his kingdom. He is separating the sheep from the goats! ok...under grace dispensation it would be a no brainer...all that put their trust in him on one side and all the didn't believe on the other side. But that's not how Jesus does it. The sheeps are the ones that did good things, took care of the poor, gave them food and water, visited people in prision and the goats are the ones that didn't do these things. Now how can that be because the apostle of GRACE a.k.a. the Apostle Paul point blank says we are saved by grace through faith and it is NOT of works lest anyone should boast. How can this be true. This is a valid question and it needs to be addressed! How do you reconcile these two completely different ways to be ushered into the Kingdom. We need to rightly divide ( why in the world would Paul us the word "divide"? Because you divide the word...this goes to the Jew under the law..this goes to the saint under grace and this goes to the people under the law and this goes to....so of and so forth. Otherwise you begin mixing, getting confused, and thinking God's word is screwy because it contradicts itself. AND IT NEVER CONTRADICTS! Just food for thought... and I can't say this enough...the WHOLE bible is FOR us to learn, glean, pick out awesome wonderful truths, but it is NOT all written to us. And I think people can almost swallow that except for when it comes to the red words of Jesus. But again, Jesus was clear as crystal as to who his teachings were to, the Jew under the law. I would even submit to you that the 4 gospels for the most part belong under the old covenant. It is only the end of the gospels that Jesus died, was buried and rose again. We don't even begin to understand the gospel of Grace until Paul comes on the scene...not even Peter preaching and the 3,000 getting saved. They STILL had no clue about grace.

 

[Tessy]

Us dispensational thinkers like to know who is being referred to and right now I'm not sure who you are referring to

sorry I have to learn how to use this site. It was a statement by oldethennnew that I was referring to:" there is only ONE TRUE CHUCH, may each of us all pray with all of our hearts that we are a
called, elected, and chosen member of His Eternal, Holy Family..."

 

[DP]

There's a lot of people who think that parts of the Bible don't apply to them. I always suggest they get a Bible they don't mind defacing, and every time they find a part they think doesn't apply they should rip that page out. Then at the end of a year, they should look back at just how much of God's word they have dismissed as irrelevant to them.

Do I eat pork? Thanks To Jesus yes I do. But the point of the pork prohibition is to abstain from unclean things. And it applies today because we likewise should abstain from the unclean things of today. Pork is no longer on that list but things like lust and idolatry still are. So while God in that dispensation told those of old to not eat unclean pork, in this dispensation it still applies that we are to likewise abstain from the unclean things of our day.

I'm afraid pork still is... on that unclean list. Christ didn't change His creation upon His cross.

Lobster, crab, shrimp, clams, catfish, scallops, (all which I love except catfish), are all still unclean too, higher in cholesterol than even beef. God created the unclean things to cleanse the earth, not be food for us. He created animals that mostly eat grains for our food.

And because of man's ignorance on these things, they tried to feed cows scrap meat mixed in their feed and that's what caused Mad Cow disease. Cows were designed by God to eat grains, to graze, not eat meat.

I was raised on pork (I'm from the South). It clogged my parents arteries, and it clogged mine, but I lived, they didn't.

When Paul said to eat whatever is put before us when we are invited to the house of the unbeliever, it was for The Gospel's sake. He didn't teach that God changed His unclean list. When Paul said to eat whatever is sold in the market (shambles), that idea is about not starving, so you eat what's available. It's not a teaching to intentionally get away from eating healthy per God's clean list.

 

[DP]

What most still don't realize about Dispensationalism is that it's not just an idea from The Bible. It's a doctrine of men by John Nelson Darby who pushed a Pre-tribulational secret rapture, and his Dispensationalist theory is designed to support that Pre-trib doctrine and its particular un-Biblical set of beliefs.

So it's not really about whether or not there are different dispensations of The One Gospel in different eras of The Bible, for that is very plain to see. It's the traditions of men like those of Darby's that he added... to that idea of dispensations which you want to watch out for.

 

[John146]

What most still don't realize about Dispensationalism is that it's not just an idea from The Bible.

Great! Dispensations are of the Bible.

 

[DP]

Great! Dispensations are of the Bible.

John Darby's doctrines are not of The Bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John Darby's doctrines are not of The Bible.

so you met John? I never met him, Or studied him. or know anyone who really knew him or studied him. Maybe you have?

I am a dispensationalist. Not because of Darby or scofield. or anyone else. But because of Gods word.

 

[crossnote]

What most still don't realize about Dispensationalism is that it's not just an idea from The Bible. It's a doctrine of men by John Nelson Darby who pushed a Pre-tribulational secret rapture, and his Dispensationalist theory is designed to support that Pre-trib doctrine and its particular un-Biblical set of beliefs.

So it's not really about whether or not there are different dispensations of The One Gospel in different eras of The Bible, for that is very plain to see. It's the traditions of men like those of Darby's that he added... to that idea of dispensations which you want to watch out for.

What end time theory is not a doctrine that some man 'discovered'?
Again dispensational has little to do with the rapture but more to do with a literal approach to Scripture.
I just don't like the idea of allegorizing Scripture for discovering some 'deep truth' as many of the early Church fathers did...and no wonder, they had some serious schooling in Greek thought.

 

[oldethennew]

what we receive that adds to the realization and Truth of our Creator, is what we call
Holy wisdom, and there is only One who can impart this to His beloved to be shared,
and hopefully received...

 

[DP]

What end time theory is not a doctrine that some man 'discovered'?
Again dispensational has little to do with the rapture but more to do with a literal approach to Scripture.
I just don't like the idea of allegorizing Scripture for discovering some 'deep truth' as many of the early Church fathers did...and no wonder, they had some serious schooling in Greek thought.

Dispensationalism has absolutely nothing... to do with a literal approach to Scripture. That a wild boast just with icing on top of it to try and make it look attractive. A dispensation of time in God's Word does not help interpret God's Word chapter by chapter, line upon line. The Holy Spirit does.

Part of John Darby's Dispensationalist theory DOES include the Pre-trib Rapture theory. With his idea of the Church being raptured prior to the tribulation with Israel left behind is a theory Darby linked with his Dispensationalist theory. Darby's ideas of national Israel existing as a kingdom on earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign with Christ and His Church dwelling in Heaven is another one of Darby's theories attached to his Dispensationalist theory.

Darby keeps Israel and Christ's Church separate, when The Bible has no such doctrine for the end. Darby's secret rapture theory is not Biblical either. Jesus declared His 2nd coming to be after... the tribulation, per Matt.24 and Mark 13. In 2 Thess. 2, Apostle Paul showed the Antichrist must come first prior to Christ's 2nd coming to gather His Church.

E.W. Bullinger, an 1880's British Christian scholar, believed on Darby's 1830's secret rapture theory, and he took Darby's Dispensationalist theories farther and started what is called Hyper-Dispensationalism, a movement that teaches the only Bible Scripture applicable to Christ's Church are the Pauline Epistles.

So there's no sense in trying to white-wash an old un-Biblical doctrinal theory from John Darby, just because it's been around 180 years since it was started and new babes in Christ today are not familiar with it.

 

[crossnote]

Dispensationalism has absolutely nothing... to do with a literal approach to Scripture. That a wild boast just with icing on top of it to try and make it look attractive. A dispensation of time in God's Word does not help interpret God's Word chapter by chapter, line upon line. The Holy Spirit does.

Part of John Darby's Dispensationalist theory DOES include the Pre-trib Rapture theory. With his idea of the Church being raptured prior to the tribulation with Israel left behind is a theory Darby linked with his Dispensationalist theory. Darby's ideas of national Israel existing as a kingdom on earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign with Christ and His Church dwelling in Heaven is another one of Darby's theories attached to his Dispensationalist theory.

Darby keeps Israel and Christ's Church separate, when The Bible has no such doctrine for the end. Darby's secret rapture theory is not Biblical either. Jesus declared His 2nd coming to be after... the tribulation, per Matt.24 and Mark 13. In 2 Thess. 2, Apostle Paul showed the Antichrist must come first prior to Christ's 2nd coming to gather His Church.

E.W. Bullinger, an 1880's British Christian scholar, believed on Darby's 1830's secret rapture theory, and he took Darby's Dispensationalist theories farther and started what is called Hyper-Dispensationalism, a movement that teaches the only Bible Scripture applicable to Christ's Church are the Pauline Epistles.

So there's no sense in trying to white-wash an old un-Biblical doctrinal theory from John Darby, just because it's been around 180 years since it was started and new babes in Christ today are not familiar with it.

I see, Darby is your voodoo doll you like sticking pins in. I guess it makes you feel better about your own view...whatever that may be.
There are many different types of dispensationalists besides Darby e.g. Blaising, Pentecost,Ryrie, Fruchtenbaum etc.
Your continual dribble on Darby and ignorance about actual dispensational thought sheds little light.

Here, here is a primer for those interested...

What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see, Darby is your voodoo doll you like sticking pins in. I guess it makes you feel better about your own view...whatever that may be.
There are many different types of dispensationalists besides Darby e.g. Blaising, Pentecost,Ryrie, Fruchtenbaum etc.
Your continual dribble on Darby and ignorance about actual dispensational thought sheds little light.

Here, here is a primer for those interested...

What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?

Which is why we should warn all people to ask a dispensational what they believe, Not someone who gets their view of what a dispensational believes of the internet, or out of some book which was written by an anti dispensational.

by the way, That was a good article. which gives the basics of what we believe, Thank you.

 

[DP]

I see, Darby is your voodoo doll you like sticking pins in. I guess it makes you feel better about your own view...whatever that may be.
There are many different types of dispensationalists besides Darby e.g. Blaising, Pentecost,Ryrie, Fruchtenbaum etc.
Your continual dribble on Darby and ignorance about actual dispensational thought sheds little light.

Here, here is a primer for those interested...

What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?

John Darby in the 1830's is who started the theory of Dispensationalism. It matters not how many took the theory after him and ran with it, except the one of Hyper-Dispensationalism which created a further un-Biblical separation of Christ's Church from all Bible Scripture excepting Paul's Epistles.

What Darby started was a cult. His pre-trib rapture theory he got from the Irvingite movement in Britain is un-Biblical, and so was his theories of Dispensationalism involving the Church. Those like Cyrus Scofield pushed the doctrines in America, and the rest is history.

For over 1,800 years, the Christian Church was Post-trib, i.e., they believed in a Post-tribulational coming of Christ and gathering of the Church. And that is the one actually written in God's Word. All the other systems that go against that as written are cults, simple as that.

 

[DP]

Which is why we should warn all people to ask a dispensational what they believe, Not someone who gets their view of what a dispensational believes of the internet, or out of some book which was written by an anti dispensational.

by the way, That was a good article. which gives the basics of what we believe, Thank you.

Well, there's always the New Age Bookstores, which is a befitting place for such contrived false doctrines of men such as John Darby's Dispensationalism.

 

[John146]

John Darby in the 1830's is who started the theory of Dispensationalism. It matters not how many took the theory after him and ran with it, except the one of Hyper-Dispensationalism which created a further un-Biblical separation of Christ's Church from all Bible Scripture excepting Paul's Epistles.

What Darby started was a cult. His pre-trib rapture theory he got from the Irvingite movement in Britain is un-Biblical, and so was his theories of Dispensationalism involving the Church. Those like Cyrus Scofield pushed the doctrines in America, and the rest is history.

For over 1,800 years, the Christian Church was Post-trib, i.e., they believed in a Post-tribulational coming of Christ and gathering of the Church. And that is the one actually written in God's Word. All the other systems that go against that as written are cults, simple as that.

He was credited with being the father of modern dispensationalism. Studying the Bible according to dispensation has been around since the 1st Century. And anyway, for all those 1800 years the Christianity was in bondage to the RCC. And since when do we set our doctrine according to the majority? If the majority believes it, it's probably not true. If the majority of believers today became dispensationalists would you?

 

[DP]

He was credited with being the father of modern dispensationalism. Studying the Bible according to dispensation has been around since the 1st Century. And anyway, for all those 1800 years the Christianity was in bondage to the RCC. And since when do we set our doctrine according to the majority? If the majority believes it, it's probably not true. If the majority of believers today became dispensationalists would you?

The word 'dispensation' didn't even come into use from Scripture until English translations llike the 1611 KJV Bible. And even then the Greek word Apostle Paul used simply means 'administration' or 'stewardship' (Greek oikonomia).

Also, the RCC did not yet exist in the 1st & 2nd centuries. The office of the pope didn't even exist until the latter part of the 3rd century.

The 1st century Church fathers held to a Post-tribulational return of Christ and gathering of the Church, and that came from the Apostles like John (like Polycarp who was a student of Apostle John).

I'm not Catholic by the way. And the Post-trib doctrine is the only Biblical doctrine simply because it is the one that is written in God's Word about the timing of Christ's return to gather His Church. None of the doctrines of men that try to set other timings are written. So if God's Word isn't a good enough source on that Truth for you, then you may as well go to the New Age Bookstore and believe all their junk too.

 

[Pamella]

hmmmm? ok. It is imperative to understanding the bible.

Something got lost in translation.