Dispensationalism?

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Dispensationalism originated in the British Isles during the late 1820s and 1830s. It was formulated and systematized by John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish clergyman and key figure in the Plymouth Brethren movement. Darby developed this theological framework as a reaction against the established Church of England, proposing that God interacts with humanity through different "dispensations" (eras or administrations). Its foundational tenets include a literal approach to biblical interpretation, a strict distinction between God's plan for the nation of Israel and the Christian Church, and a belief in a pre-tribulation rapture.

Is this God's theology or man's theology. Truth or error. ????
 
Is this God's theology or man's theology. Truth or error. ????
‘‘God’s theology”? I’m not sure what that means. Is God a theologian? The usual meaning of “theologian,” at least as applied to the modern world, is someone who has completed a degree in theology. That’s something God never needed to do.

Dispensationalism has to do with theology, obviously, but it also has to do with history. It’s more than just the history of theology; the theology comes first and the history comes second. I’d have to think about it before I could propose a fuller answer than that, but for the time being my approach would be to see it as situated somewhere in the area where the fields of history and theology intersect.

The same is true of salvation history, which arose a century later than dispensationalism but bears a resemblance to it, as I mentioned recently on another thread.
 
Dispensationalism originated in the British Isles during the late 1820s and 1830s. It was formulated and systematized by John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish clergyman and key figure in the Plymouth Brethren movement. Darby developed this theological framework as a reaction against the established Church of England, proposing that God interacts with humanity through different "dispensations" (eras or administrations). Its foundational tenets include a literal approach to biblical interpretation, a strict distinction between God's plan for the nation of Israel and the Christian Church, and a belief in a pre-tribulation rapture.

Is this God's theology or man's theology. Truth or error. ????
Dispensationalism is a false method of bible interpretation. It is a 'lens' in which a person views scripture. It is forced onto the text rather that something found in the text.

There has only ever been one people of God. Originally that was ethnic Israel but having rejected Jesus a Messiah, Christ created the Church in which both Jew and Gentile dwell, the Body of Christ, the Israel of God Gal 6:16. The Church does not 'replace' ethnic Israel but rather is a continuation as the new people of God.

One cannot use a 'literal' approach to interpreting all Scripture. One must determine the genre firstly and then interpret according to that genre, eg. symbolism, apocalyptic, prophecy, poetry, prose etc.

The pre-trib rapture doctrine was unknown before Darby and Irving. It is based on 'inference' not good hermeneutics. Its dubious origin was a young Scots girl named Margaret Madonald, who in 1830 had a 'vision' of a pre-trib rapture. Darby was aware of this, and it influenced his view of a pre-trib rapture.

It is of interest to note that Dispensationalism is on the steady decline, more and more seminaries are either downplaying it or have jettisoned it all together.
 
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1Co_9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

Theologians will seize upon something and try to apply it to everything. Seven dispensations is like seven covenants. It is man's attempt to systematize God.

The word dispensation was what was used for the steward of a household who everyday dispensed work assignments, tools, money, and kept the house business running smoothly. Paul used this word to describe the gospel of grace he had been given to dispense to the gentiles.

One might see in the law given to Israel through Moses a similar dispensing. However, since the bible does not describe it as such, I think it is a bridge too far to call it a "dispensation" of law.

Here is a short article from the blog archive at christianpioneer.com

Plan “F”?

God created heaven and earth perfect. This was plan “A” When Satan’s pride led him to rebel against God and take a third of the angles with him, God had plan “B”. When Adam and Eve sinned, plan “C” went into effect. However, just a few generations after Adam and Eve people became so wicked (amplified by angelic interference) that the world was destroyed with a flood and only eight people were saved. This brought us to plan “D”. However, with the Tower of Babble, it was apparent that a more direct means of getting people to know about their creation, God, and the need for faith a plan “E” was needed. The nation of Israel was supposed to be a nation of priests who would bring the knowledge of God to the whole world.

God put an awful lot of work into plan “E”. The Old Testament of the bible is almost all about What Israel was supposed to do, promises to Israel about the future, and a continual record of their disregard for God. Sending Jesus as the promised Messiah was the culmination of the plan of God to offer a way back to eternal life that was lost by Adam and Eve. Since Israel did not accept the kingdom offered by Jesus at his ministry to the nation, dramatic circumstances will be brought on earth such that a faithful remnant of Israel will be persuaded to received the kingdom. However, this cataclysmic event will not happen until after plan “F” has run its course.

The nation of Israel was supposed to receive the gospel of the kingdom and her king, Jesus, and subsequently bring the knowledge of God to the world. This knowledge instead was spread by those through the gospel of the grace of God introduced by Paul who was called to be an apostle to the gentiles. This might be called plan “F”. When the full number of the gentiles come in, plan “G” would be established where Jesus returns to earth and rules as king from Jerusalem for 1,000 years.

These various plans are not the result of God not having control (being all knowing he knew that we would fall short), but of his allowing humans and angles to have free will. The angels were created all at once and with knowledge. They made their choice all at once. Humans are born sequentially and in ignorance. As a result, God endures the evils that result from bad choices until he can harvest a “crop” of those that surrender to his will.

Some call these “plans” covenants or dispensations. However, these names can be misleading. The world “plan” can also be misleading. It does convey that God is in charge, however, it fails to convey that they might better be called opportunities. Each of these “plans” demonstrate that no matter what the circumstances, most people will ultimately reject God and seek to go their own way. God structured our redemption to be based on faith (trust). Trust is given to that which is true. Israel would keep their laws when they trusted God as a demonstration of faith. Today with plan “F” those who trust in Jesus and his payment on the cross for our sins are regenerated unto the eternal life that is in Christ, can have the Holy Spirit make them better people, and have access to the wisdom of God..

Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
 
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The history of Dispensationalism:

The modern Christian idea of the "End Times" took hundreds of years to develop. It started as a Catholic defense as part of the counter-reformation in the 1500s and slowly became the most popular belief in American churches today. Here is the history of the counterfeit:

1590: Francisco Ribera -- a Jesuit (The Start of Futurism)
During the Protestant Reformation, reformers identified the Catholic Pope as the Antichrist. To defend the church, a Catholic priest named Francisco Ribera created the Futurist view. He said the prophecies in the Book of Revelation were not about the Pope or the present day. Instead, they were about a short time of trouble far in the future, right before Jesus returns.

1812: Manuel Lacunza (Crossing the Divide)
Manuel Lacunza was a Catholic (jesuit) priest from Chile who lived in exile in Italy. Under a fake Jewish name, he wrote a huge book arguing for the Futurist view. He also believed Jesus would return to Earth before a 1,000-year golden age. His book was translated into English in 1827. This helped introduce his ideas to Protestants, who normally ignored Catholic writings.

1826: Samuel Maitland (Protestants Accept the Deception)
For a long time, Protestants believed the prophecies were happening throughout history, that’s historicism. But in the 1820s, a librarian named Samuel Maitland read the books by Ribera and Lacunza. He agreed with them and wrote books to convince other Protestants that the Pope was not the Antichrist. This made the Futurist view acceptable to Protestants.

1830s: John Nelson Darby (The Secret Rapture)
John Nelson Darby was an Irish preacher who took Futurism a step further. He created Dispensationalism, which is the idea that God treats people differently in different eras of history and has separate plans for Israel and the Church. Darby is famous for creating the idea of the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture". This is the belief that Jesus will secretly return to take Christians to heaven before a terrible 7-year time of trouble begins on Earth. A comforting deception from the fires of hell.

1909: Cyrus I. Scofield (Becoming Mainstream in America)
Darby's ideas might have stayed small if it weren't for C.I. Scofield. Scofield created the Scofield Reference Bible, which printed Darby's ideas in the footnotes right next to the Bible verses. Since it was the first popular study Bible in America, millions of people read the footnotes as if they were part of the Bible itself. This made it the normal belief for many American Christians. More deceptions.

1970: Hal Lindsey (Prophecy Meets the News)
Hal Lindsey wrote a book called The Late Great Planet Earth. He took Scofield’s ideas and connected them to modern news events. He said things like the creation of Israel in 1948 and the Cold War were literal proof that the Rapture was going to happen very soon. It became the best-selling nonfiction book of the 1970s and started a movement of people trying to track prophecies in the news.

1995 - 2007: Tim LaHaye & Jerry B. Jenkins (Pop Culture Fame)
These two authors wrote the Left Behind series. They turned the ideas of Darby, Scofield, and Lindsey into a thrilling fictional story. They sold over 80 million copies. These books made this version of the "End Times" so famous that many Christians today think it is the only correct way to read the Book of Revelation.

Dispensationalism is not a further step in Protestantism, it is a method of prophetic interpretation which completely hides the Catholic church as the antichrist and has set up the destruction of millions of Christians who have been deceived by Satan while the antichrist hides in plain sight. Do you feel safe getting your doctrines from Jesuit lies?

[Mat 15:9 KJV] 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
 
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The history of Dispensationalism:

The modern Christian idea of the "End Times" took hundreds of years to develop. It started as a Catholic defense as part of the counter-reformation in the 1500s and slowly became the most popular belief in American churches today. Here is the history of the counterfeit:

1590: Francisco Ribera -- a Jesuit (The Start of Futurism)
During the Protestant Reformation, reformers identified the Catholic Pope as the Antichrist. To defend the church, a Catholic priest named Francisco Ribera created the Futurist view. He said the prophecies in the Book of Revelation were not about the Pope or the present day. Instead, they were about a short time of trouble far in the future, right before Jesus returns.

1812: Manuel Lacunza (Crossing the Divide)
Manuel Lacunza was a Catholic (jesuit) priest from Chile who lived in exile in Italy. Under a fake Jewish name, he wrote a huge book arguing for the Futurist view. He also believed Jesus would return to Earth before a 1,000-year golden age. His book was translated into English in 1827. This helped introduce his ideas to Protestants, who normally ignored Catholic writings.

1826: Samuel Maitland (Protestants Accept the Deception)
For a long time, Protestants believed the prophecies were happening throughout history, that’s historicism. But in the 1820s, a librarian named Samuel Maitland read the books by Ribera and Lacunza. He agreed with them and wrote books to convince other Protestants that the Pope was not the Antichrist. This made the Futurist view acceptable to Protestants.

1830s: John Nelson Darby (The Secret Rapture)
John Nelson Darby was an Irish preacher who took Futurism a step further. He created Dispensationalism, which is the idea that God treats people differently in different eras of history and has separate plans for Israel and the Church. Darby is famous for creating the idea of the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture". This is the belief that Jesus will secretly return to take Christians to heaven before a terrible 7-year time of trouble begins on Earth. A comforting deception from the fires of hell.

1909: Cyrus I. Scofield (Becoming Mainstream in America)
Darby's ideas might have stayed small if it weren't for C.I. Scofield. Scofield created the Scofield Reference Bible, which printed Darby's ideas in the footnotes right next to the Bible verses. Since it was the first popular study Bible in America, millions of people read the footnotes as if they were part of the Bible itself. This made it the normal belief for many American Christians. More deceptions.

1970: Hal Lindsey (Prophecy Meets the News)
Hal Lindsey wrote a book called The Late Great Planet Earth. He took Scofield’s ideas and connected them to modern news events. He said things like the creation of Israel in 1948 and the Cold War were literal proof that the Rapture was going to happen very soon. It became the best-selling nonfiction book of the 1970s and started a movement of people trying to track prophecies in the news.

1995 - 2007: Tim LaHaye & Jerry B. Jenkins (Pop Culture Fame)
These two authors wrote the Left Behind series. They turned the ideas of Darby, Scofield, and Lindsey into a thrilling fictional story. They sold over 80 million copies. These books made this version of the "End Times" so famous that many Christians today think it is the only correct way to read the Book of Revelation.

Dispensationalism is not a further step in Protestantism, it is a method of prophetic interpretation which completely hides the Catholic church as the antichrist and has set up the destruction of millions of Christians who have been deceived by Satan while the antichrist hides in plain sight. Do you feel safe getting your doctrines from Jesuit lies?

[Mat 15:9 KJV] 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

IMO we should dispense with undue consideration of non-canonical writers and discuss what Scripture indicates about how/on what basis God judges souls in different eras. I find three.
 
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Truth Or error?:
Dispensationalism originated in the British Isles...
Seems to me that it is a Very risky thing to call God's Word Of Truth an error, eh?:
"For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but
if against my will, A Dispensation Of The Gospel
is committed unto me." (1 Corinthians 9:17 AV)
"If ye have heard of The Dispensation of the Grace of God
Which is given me to you-ward:" (Ephesians 3:2 AV)​
"Whereof I am made a minister, According to The Dispensation Of God
Which is given to me for you, To Fulfil The Word Of God;" (Colossians 1:25 AV)​
"That in The Dispensation of the fulness of times
He might gather together in one all things in Christ,​
both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:"​

Amen.
 
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Dispensationalism originated in the British Isles during the late 1820s and 1830s. It was formulated and systematized by John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish clergyman and key figure in the Plymouth Brethren movement. Darby developed this theological framework as a reaction against the established Church of England, proposing that God interacts with humanity through different "dispensations" (eras or administrations). Its foundational tenets include a literal approach to biblical interpretation, a strict distinction between God's plan for the nation of Israel and the Christian Church, and a belief in a pre-tribulation rapture.

Is this God's theology or man's theology. Truth or error. ????
The entire Bible teaches one thing, Jesus the Lord and savior.
Ot looking ahead to Jesus, nt is with Jesus. Jesus the fulfillment of covenant, the only ever lasting covenant.
No need for a 3rd temple and red heifer. Gather all the red heifer in the world, are they going to wash away sins?
 
Pffft... 1600's 300-400ad.. before 300-400ad and after 300-400ad.. yeah its all there. I guess its "I can read that but I disagree so that makes it false". Just a guess as to why some just..... I don't know.. choose not to look at it.

I did a search again the other day.. and found them.. so I don't know what to say. What makes me laugh...not at this but I found this when Paul and Jan Crouch were young. Decades ago... here we are 2026 and some still talk as if.. its not real.. praise GOD. Its 2026.. any one can search agree or disagree with it.. yet they don't. So what they do share they just lying or mean to mislead or deceive or they did not search at all and are just quoting what someone else said.

its not just " I disagree" its name calling its doctrine of men.. of the devil.. on and on.... because it goes against not the word of GOD but what someone else personally believes. So the so called history here.. I disagree :)
 
Isaiah 65
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
 
Thy word is truth

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

The Bible is the standard not man or philosophy.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Dispensationalism is man made.

One God and One standard that has not changed.

There is only one Lawgiver and one immutable standard of righteousness by which every soul will be judged. God is unchangeable and serves as the universal rule of conduct for all humanity.

God is the sole source of moral authority. Because He is the Creator in whom we "live, and move, and have our being" (Acts 17:28), He has the right to establish the rules of His government. There is only one Lawgiver who possesses the power to save and to destroy (James 4:12). This God does not have different standards for different people; He weighs everyone in the scales of the sanctuary according to His perfect word.

The One Perfect Standard of Character
The Lord has provided a single, unerring standard to measure human character. This standard is not a human invention but is the "royal law" (James 2:8).

A Perfect Law: The law of the Lord is described as "perfect, converting the soul" (Psalm 19:7). The commandment is "holy, and just, and good" (Romans 7:12).

This law is the only way to truly identify sin, for "by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20). Without this standard, we would have no way to detect the "offense" or understand our need for a Savior (Romans 5:20).

Jesus Himself declared that "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5:17) Rather than abolishing the law, the plan of salvation highlights its importance. We do not "make void the law through faith," but rather "we establish the law" (Romans 3:31).
Under the new covenant, God does not change the law; He changes the location of the law. He says, "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts" (Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:33).

The Universal Test for All Humanity
The same test of obedience that was brought upon Adam in Eden is brought upon every member of the human family. God’s law is the "great standard of righteousness" for all.

To the Law and Testimony: We are told that if any teaching does not speak "according to this word, it is because there is no light in them" (Isaiah 8:20).

The Whole Duty of Man: Keeping the commandments is not a suggestion but the "whole duty of man" (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

In the last days, the people who are ready for Christ’s coming are described as those who "keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Our Example of Obedience Is Jesus.
Jesus came to this world to prove that through divine power, humanity can keep God's requirements. He said, "I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love" (John 15:10). He did not come to destroy the law but to "fulfill" or demonstrate it in His life (Matthew 5:17). By His death on the cross, He paid the penalty for our transgression of the law, testifying to the fact that the law is so immutable that it could not be changed even to save His own Son (Galatians 3:13).

If you love Him, the natural fruit of that relationship is a desire to walk in His ways, for He says, "If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15).
 
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Pencil me in as a dispensationalist!!

I didn’t even know I was one up until a half dozen or so years ago, upon hearing the description and I kept going “ yup I believe that, uh-huh that’s right” and so on.
So I suppose theologians would class me as a dispensationalist too . . .

It depends what one means by one's terms. At its core "dispensationalism" is simply is the fact that the Old Testament and the New Testament are two different time periods. Whatever one's view of eschatology the future is going to be another time period different from either the Old Testament or the New Testament era. And then there was the time period in the Garden of Eden before the fall of man. That time period is distinct. Considering this I don't see how one can read the Bible and not be a "dispensationalist' to some extent.

Of course usually when one says "dispensationalist" there are other kinds of assumptions about what that person believes . . .
 
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For me,when God is Omniscient,
Omnipresent, Omnipotent, has Sovereign Dominion over and within His creation, I think I would stay clear of any Theologian or teacher who insists they know there is something God will not, or cannot do.
 
So I suppose theologians would class me as a dispensationalist too . . .

It depends what one means by one's terms. At its core "dispensationalism" is simply is the fact that the Old Testament and the New Testament are two different time periods. Whatever one's view of eschatology the future is going to be another time period different from either the Old Testament or the New Testament era. And then there was the time period in the Garden of Eden before the fall of man. That time period is distinct. Considering this I don't see how one can read the Bible and not be a "dispensationalist' to some extent.

Of course usually when one says "dispensationalist" there are other kinds of assumptions about what that person believes . . .

I understand dispensations to refer to different stages of revelation: Creation, OT, NT and End.
 
It is confusing just bring out one word from the Bible.
Such as "love", the true biblical love is very different than secular love, which liberals cry about.

So when take out one word dispensation from scripture, it can mean many things.

If to say John Darby s point of view, or political zionist point of view, then another story again.