Do agnostics go to hell?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Wansvic

Well-known member
Nov 27, 2018
4,760
1,038
113
Upon death, souls are judged to determine if the “work” of Salvation is recorded in their body.....that they believed and received the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ the ONLY Savior.

If they TRULY believed, then they were sealed with the Holy Spirit and are escorted into Paradise where they see and embrace Jesus Christ face to face...pure love.

Jesus Christ knows if a person is His or not. The Judgement Seat of Christ....He knows those that belong to Him and those that don’t.

Those that are truly saved go to Paradise and those that are not saved go to hell which is a place of torment.

All souls must journey from Paradise to the Holy City of Jerusalem in Heaven...it’s a journey that is designed to restore our souls.

The restored soul will be able to enter the Holy City and enter the Temple....go all the way to the Holy of Holies where the Throne Room of God Almighty is...where our spirit is seated with Christ in heavenly places.

If our soul makes it that far, it is reunited with its spirit and abides there at The Throne ready with Christ to return to Earth with Christ to claim its body from the grave.

When Christ returns to the Earth, those souls reunited with their spirits in The Throne Room will return with Him to the Earth when The Father says, “Go, get Your Bride!”
Please provide the scripture that brought you to this conclusion.
 

Wansvic

Well-known member
Nov 27, 2018
4,760
1,038
113
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15
These scriptures point out the destination one can expect relevant to their actions during their lifetime 1. those who do His commandments are given entrance into heaven. 2. those who opposed His commandments are barred from heaven.

Expecting to receive a second chance after death is a deception of the enemy. It is a ploy to take as many with him into the lake of fire for eternity. And sadly people don't see that.
 

Wansvic

Well-known member
Nov 27, 2018
4,760
1,038
113
Not so, we need The Holy Spirit to teach us. What you learned is what man taught you.

Open your heart and mind, do NOT let pride interfere; ask the Holy Spirit to teach you The Word of God....He is The Spirit of Truth, there is NO error in Him.
The leading of the Spirit will never go against the written word. And it is written that it is appointed man once to die and after that comes judgment. (Heb. 9:27)
 

Wansvic

Well-known member
Nov 27, 2018
4,760
1,038
113
There’s no way to truly understand the scriptures of The Holy Bible which is God’s Written Word without The Holy Spirit which is The Revealer of The Written (and spoken) Word of God.

Understanding comes from the Holy Spirit....Jesus would speak and then say, “he who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit is saying..”
There are many things in the word that can be clearly understood. And other's the require the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And as I mentioned in another post, what the Holy Spirit reveals will never contradict the word.
 

CS1

Well-known member
May 23, 2012
12,331
4,054
113
From what I can see in scripture, this interpretation is on point. Hebrews 9:27 speaks of judgement after death and Revelations 20:11-15 places that judgement after the inhabitants of hell are brought out (before hell is cast into the lake of fire). Thank you for sharing that perspective
the second judgment is not a second opportunity to get saved when you did not when you were living.
 

CS1

Well-known member
May 23, 2012
12,331
4,054
113
How bout we mind our own walk?
How about we don't assume we know
What and who God chooses

I am not a leader or pastor
I am not a man
Nor a mother

So I personally have no say in another person's life
I can pray when I see struggle
And I can address error if asked
But it is not MY job to judge
At all
then don't assume one is judging.
 

Wansvic

Well-known member
Nov 27, 2018
4,760
1,038
113
I have a few questions for you, let's say

you call yourself a " gay Christian "

It has been years since the origin of the term "Christian" has been understood or even kept.

Is it judgment to say to one, they can not be a Christian and gay? Or is the "gay Christian" a form of truth today because "Most people" who are gay today will not abandon being gay to become a Christian?

So we change the actual meaning of the word to fit our own truth. That is what many do with the word of God today.


Most people who call themselves Agnostic today to not share the actual definition because that would be seen as unbiblical and they would not be accepted, so the secular needs to water it down. Any word today can be what I want it to be because it fits my false narrative and remove the shame of sin.

We as Christians are to judge and speak the truth in love.

There is no such thing as a gay Christian they are not saved in the sin they are saved from their sin.


Those who say they are agnostic and think it means they are half right with God but half not, is Deception.

That idea is taking people to hell in masses. Jesus said I have come to testify of the truth.

Most people who call themselves
An agnostic can have a form of godliness yet still deny the power of God.
How bout we mind our own walk?
How about we don't assume we know
What and who God chooses

I am not a leader or pastor
I am not a man
Nor a mother

So I personally have no say in another person's life
I can pray when I see struggle
And I can address error if asked
But it is not MY job to judge
At all
I noticed you seemed to take offense at CS1's post above. But the comments made are true.

Consider that God's truth is what sets people free. And many are not familiar with what it says. Sharing God's truth in love has the ability to shatter Satan's deception. We will all be judged by the word of God. (John 12:48)
 

Platosgal

Active member
Mar 17, 2020
282
179
43
I noticed you seemed to take offense at CS1's post above. But the comments made are true.

Consider that God's truth is what sets people free. And many are not familiar with what it says. Sharing God's truth in love has the ability to shatter Satan's deception. We will all be judged by the word of God. (John 12:48)
I was not offended
I just think that GOD leads us and ordain leaders
To correct
And I personally am neither an ordained leader to correct
Nor am I aware of God's will for another person
I also think one of the things God has given believers is prayer, and fasting
Intercession instead of quick judgment
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,706
3,650
113
Dear crossnote,

You are loved so dearly by God and I know you love Him too! You seek truth and diligently study the scriptures but, just ask His Holy Spirit if what I posted is true or not.

Don’t rely on me or your human understanding...ask your Teacher, Comforter, and Guide.

Learn to rely on The Holy Spirit for understanding of the scriptures.

He’ll open your understanding and feed you hidden manna...deep secrets revealed to the hearts that diligently seek Jesus Christ....ones that run after God, not what man says about God.

Read and ponder the last 3 chapters of Revelation....notice...in Rev 22:14-15 there are saved souls that are not restored because they were not allowed to enter the Holy City...they are dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, etc...

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 22:14-15&version=NKJV

There is a journey of the restoring of the soul - our mind, will and emotions.

Our mind must be filled with absolute truth of The Word of God;

Our emotions must line up exactly with God’s emotions...we love what He loves and hate what He hates...we can be angry and sin not; and

Our will must line up exactly with His Will...all our choices and decisions are exactly what His Will is.

A saved soul enters Paradise but, a restored soul enters the Holy City...all the way to The Throne Room.

It sounds like God is making us like robots but, He’s not. God is making us like Him! Amazing! Wow!!! Absolutely amazing!! (y)
Lafftur, there are many spirits in this world saying many things. How will I know it’s the Holy Spirit if its not in accord with His Word. We aren’t Mormons looking for a burning in our bosom.
Please show me in Scripture where you find these claims of yours.
 

CS1

Well-known member
May 23, 2012
12,331
4,054
113
I was not offended
I just think that GOD leads us and ordain leaders
To correct
And I personally am neither an ordained leader to correct
Nor am I aware of God's will for another person
I also think one of the things God has given believers is prayer, and fasting
Intercession instead of quick judgment
nor are you needing to be ordained to correct. We can know the Will of God by the word of God :)

We know from the word of God the Will of God is No one should perish. We know from the Word of God that Jesus came to seek that which was lost and save.

But we have a very tenacious enemy who has decided many with false concepts or held truths.

If you study the idea of Agnosticism and where it came from the very origin is from the pit of hell.

from the Greeks who thought the Gospel was foolishness because even back during Paul's ministry they seem themselves as having intellectual superiority. God's word says " A fool has said in their heart there is no God." Ps 14:1

these so-called agnostics have many who at one time believed they were called by God yet left the faith.


  • Charle Darwin founder of the great deceptive theory known to man and still taking millions to hell today by being deceived.
  • T. H. Huxley Originally coining the term in 1869, Huxley elaborated on "agnosticism" in 1889 to frame the nature of claims in terms of what is knowable and what is not. he said:
"Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle... the fundamental axiom of modern science... In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration... In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable."


They know better than God. Many well-taught Christians surrendered to what was perceived as their intellectual superiority. these men below were used to bring the doctrines of devils that have taken root in churches, legislation, schools, and in the minds of many people.

Karl Marx
Charles Darwin
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


out of them came :

Marxism, socialism, communism, atheism, agnosticism.

All accepted by those who made right by Might or perceived intellectual supremacy.

Karl Marx died of catarrh
Charles Darwin's heart attack on Christmas, followed by seizures.
Nietzsche died of brain cancer. that many seem to believe was from an STD


Today the is but one issue with Christians' deception as Jesus said the last days were to be on guard of and hate.
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,706
3,650
113
I remember someone who took a class in Revelations, and she said something along these lines. Basically, God wants to make everyone has knowledge and make sure each person has an opportunity to be saved. Basically, the only people who won't be saved are those who come face to face with Christ, and still reject. She may have said something slightly different, but that is how I remember it.
This is the better approach...

Acts 17:11 KJV
[11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,439
1,856
113
How bout we mind our own walk?
How about we don't assume we know
What and who God chooses

I am not a leader or pastor
I am not a man
Nor a mother

So I personally have no say in another person's life
I can pray when I see struggle
And I can address error if asked
But it is not MY job to judge
At all
I absolutely adore this post of yours. However, I see you as just as equal and deserving as anyone else in this world. I don't have any say in anyone's life either . . . for I am only made of this physical world.

My job? My job is to Love each of you; to support each of you . . . even my enemies. If my job is to feed my enemies (to do good to them), then how much more is it my job to feed my True Brothers and Sister?

Did I mention that I loved your post?!
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,439
1,856
113
Jesus in
John 6 says
The FATHER chooses
Who belongs to Christ
Not us..humans cant choose correctly
So GOD chooses
And also in John 15:

John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,439
1,856
113
Could you kindly show me where this is found in Scripture? It sounds closer to a purgatory type of thing.
I'm not Catholic, but as a Biblical reporter, it does seem that the Bible clearly teaches this Purgatory "thing." I couldn't believe it when I discovered its Truth. In fact, I was disappointed that my Christian upbringing hid this, too, from me.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
Feb 20, 2021
5,439
1,856
113
Irrational, Emotional, Unfactual rhetoric
is why women shouldn't teach

I go by what the Bible SAYS not what people feel it should say to fit their personal warm fuzzy comfort zone
What "we" do, and I was so utterly guilty of this . . . is that because each of us feels like a True Christian, we look at ourselves; our attitudes and behaviors, and from this point, we develop our doctrine. If we feel that we are saved, but we're leaving our wife and children at home while we hang out with the boys at the strip clubs, drinking gallons of alcohol and using pounds of drugs . . . we base our doctrine off of these realities . . . all the while ignoring Holy Scripture that condemns us/me for our/my actions.

If we haven't Changed, it's because we haven't been Transformed by the mighty Power of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If we haven't Changed, it's because the Spirit has not indwelt our Hearts. The Spirit has not changed our Hearts.

Romans 2:28-29 NLT - "For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."
 

Funkus

Active member
May 20, 2020
198
70
28
These scriptures point out the destination one can expect relevant to their actions during their lifetime 1. those who do His commandments are given entrance into heaven. 2. those who opposed His commandments are barred from heaven.

Expecting to receive a second chance after death is a deception of the enemy. It is a ploy to take as many with him into the lake of fire for eternity. And sadly people don't see that.
People expect God to work according to a pattern we can understand
Nowhere in scripture is this apparent. In Matthew the prostitutes and tax collectors are advancing into the kingdom, in the old testament unlikely characters suddenly are promoted against all expectations. This is leaving room for God's sovereignty and mercy to work to save whoever he wants to beyond our ability to know. We cannot know if there is no second chance (or simply a first chance or final chance) or not, or exactly how it works. If some think there is, that is as understandable as those who think there is not based on the revealed character of God as above our ways
The enemy does deceive and God surely must take account of the deception people have been exposed to when they made their decisions to be just which explains at least some of the forgiveness Jesus displayed in the gospels to people that were written off as hopeless cases by the religious authorities of the day. God worked differently to what all the experts were predicting
I think part of accepting God is surrendering to his ultimate perfection and acknowledging our limited ability to know for sure which then forces us to express and find a way to describe the being we ultimately worship so we are as ready as we can be to stand before him one day. if that is a scary thought, then that's what the Holy Spirit is all about not to reveal revelations but to put that relationship on a firmer foundation, so hell itself is must also be used by the enemy to deceive, if an overly strict and harsh view is an much deception as an overly lax one, we are lost without Jesus and the Holy Spirit to guide through this troubled world, scripture alone is open to various interpretations, stamp your colours to the mast and say what ultimately you will say when you stand before Him
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,706
3,650
113
I'm not Catholic, but as a Biblical reporter, it does seem that the Bible clearly teaches this Purgatory "thing." I couldn't believe it when I discovered its Truth. In fact, I was disappointed that my Christian upbringing hid this, too, from me.
Ok. I'm all ears, let's discuss this. Present your case using Scripture.
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,706
3,650
113
So you are saying..mysticism is better then then the Bible and is more important then the words of Jesus
Humm?
Interesting
We are not in the same kingdom
I understand
Which 'god' does mysticism directly connect with? Scriptures reveal we have a Mediator...

1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,706
3,650
113
In Matthew the prostitutes and tax collectors are advancing into the kingdom,
But they don't enter in as prostitutes or those who swindle others. Their hearts are changed through faith in Jesus.
in the old testament unlikely characters suddenly are promoted against all expectations.
Again by faith in God's promises (as Rahab did).
This is leaving room for God's sovereignty and mercy to work to save whoever he wants to beyond our ability to know.
True, but it still takes the knowledge of God through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 4:6 (KJV) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
We cannot know if there is no second chance (or simply a first chance or final chance) or not, or exactly how it works. If some think there is, that is as understandable as those who think there is not based on the revealed character of God as above our ways
Maybe you should ask the rich man if he got a 2nd chance. He would give your answer as an emphatic 'No!'...

Luke 16:23-24 (KJV) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
The enemy does deceive and God surely must take account of the deception people have been exposed to when they made their decisions to be just which explains at least some of the forgiveness Jesus displayed in the gospels to people that were written off as hopeless cases by the religious authorities of the day. God worked differently to what all the experts were predicting
God does take into account the deception in people, that is why salvation is so simple that a child would not err therein. It takes the sophisticated eggheads to talk themselves out of believing.
scripture alone is open to various interpretations, stamp your colours to the mast and say what ultimately you will say when you stand before Him
This is classical Emergent Church gobbley-goop and to live your 'christian' life with no certainty of "Thus saith the Lord" in Scripture leads one down a path of apostasy.

Hebrews 2:1-3 (KJV) Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;