That all goes to naught if the person believing has not been BAPTIZED into the body of Christ, he is NOT saved. In regards to your statement of there being only one baptism, what do you do with Hebrews 6:2 " Of the doctrine of BAPTISMS, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgement." ? The Holy Spirit baptized ME into the body of Christ, my Pastor baptized ME in water and Jesus baptized ME in the Holy Spirit, with evidence of speaking in tongues. I'll take an experience over a doubtful theory any day.
Do All Religions Lead To God?
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I'll take the scriptures over your experience. The fact is, we're baptized into Christ at which time we receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, the actual Spirit itself.
Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And, all things written 2000 yrs ago do not necessarily have the same application today as they did then. Context is important in this regard relative to your Hebrews 6 comment.
Your scriptures mean and prove nothing other than your continued lack of scriptural understanding. Read the actual Greek of 1 Cor 12:13. Its not by but rather in one Spirit: the Greek word is 'en' which translates as "in". The correct translation is "in one Spirit", not "by one Spirit".
And your Moses comparison/analogy means what? What it really means is they were immersed in the cloud. You didn't even read it right. It says "unto" Moses" not into Moses. Wake up!
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
You just don't have eyes to see.
Bible translations divide on whether to render it "by" one Spirit (instrumental) or "in" one Spirit (locative/sphere), though *both point to the Holy Spirit as the vital agent uniting believers into the body of Christ.*
The Israelites were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea which means they were united with Moses as their divinely appointed leader when God delivered them through the red Sea and guided them with the pillar of cloud.
Numerous translations say "into" Moses while some say "unto" Moses. Both terms mean that the ancient Israelites were joined to or identified with Moses as their leader. You are the one who needs to wake up!
Numerous translations say "into." Again, both words convey the same core theological idea. The Israelites' complete identification with, submission to, and incorporation under the leadership of Moses during the Exodus.
Blah blah blah, keep trying to twist scripture to agree with you! Hahahah, ain't gonna happen!You just don't have eyes to see.
Bible translations divide on whether to render it "by" one Spirit (instrumental) or "in" one Spirit (locative/sphere), though *both point to the Holy Spirit as the vital agent uniting believers into the body of Christ.*
The Israelites were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea which means they were united with Moses as their divinely appointed leader when God delivered them through the red Sea and guided them with the pillar of cloud.
Numerous translations say "into" Moses while some say "unto" Moses. Both terms mean that the ancient Israelites were joined to or identified with Moses as their leader. You are the one who needs to wake up!
Numerous translations say "into." Again, both words convey the same core theological idea. The Israelites' complete identification with, submission to, and incorporation under the leadership of Moses during the Exodus.
You talk as if God is a respecter of persons. If, as you say, when we receive the Holy Spirit (BTW, He is a person, not an it) we are baptized into the body of Christ, is that when we believe in our hearts and confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and the God has raised Him from the dead, or when we are water baptized, in your opinion? Romans 10:9-10, 13 says nothing about water baptism. Baptisms is plural no matter what context. BTW, my experience is borne out of scripture.
I'm simply restating what the scripture says. It's not me talking, not my words or thoughts. Here's the scripture. What's it say? It says
1. Repent
2. Be baptized in the Lord's name for the remission of sins (reason why)
3. And you'll receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (not a gift from the Holy Ghost, but the gift OF the Holy Ghost, a result of doing so)
38"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
And rhe second part of verse 47 in that chapter also says that the Lord adds you to the body of baptized believers which is his church, which is another result.
"And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."
And Romans 10:9-10 simply is stating another one (not all) of the requirements of salvation, verbal confession, which is exactly what the Ethiopian eunuch did in Acts 8. The eunuch asked Philip what would prevent him from being baptized since they were by a body of water. So obviously, Philip during his teaching of the eunuch about Christ, also must have told him about the need to be baptized in water and its importance, and told the eunuch he coukd be baptized if he believed, and took the eunuch's confession/statement of his belief. Read the recireded account in Acts 8.
I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.
There is one God. The God of Adam, the God of Abraham, the God of Israel, the God of Moses, the God of Jesus and the God of me.
He has many names. I call Him,
Master of the universe. Yahweh-Elohim is His name.
Adonai, El-Shaddai, both are names of the Lord Most High.
Yeshua Mess-i-ah, He died for us because He loves us
Ru-ach Ha Ko-desh, we love Him be-cause He loved us first He is Master...
He has many names. I call Him,
Master of the universe. Yahweh-Elohim is His name.
Adonai, El-Shaddai, both are names of the Lord Most High.
Yeshua Mess-i-ah, He died for us because He loves us
Ru-ach Ha Ko-desh, we love Him be-cause He loved us first He is Master...
Yeah, sure you do. Just keep telling yourself that and how smart you are. Goodbye.
Sadly, instead properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching a conclusion on sound doctrine, certain folks seem more interested in trying to "force" scripture to "conform" to their biased church doctrine.I like those words “harmonize” and “doctrine”
Titus 1:9 - holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.That term “sound” when used with “harmonize” threw me off a little
Titus 2:1 - as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine.
Also see 2 Timothy 4:3-5.
So, can we say, that proper doctrine can create a similar perfectly harmonizing sound?