Do believers die during the first resurrection?

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My cursory understanding is that believers do indeed die during the first resurrection. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

1) The first resurrection is a 1,000 year period where believers live and reign with Jesus.
2) This is evidenced by the fact that Jesus said that those that the Father draws to him he will raise up at the last day.

Am I incorrect in this understanding at all?
 

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My cursory understanding is that believers do indeed die during the first resurrection. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

1) The first resurrection is a 1,000 year period where believers live and reign with Jesus.
2) This is evidenced by the fact that Jesus said that those that the Father draws to him he will raise up at the last day.

Am I incorrect in this understanding at all?
Well in my understanding the ones being raised up are the people who have already passed away and we that remain will be heirs to the earthly kingdom Jesus will establish
 
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op: Do believers die at the first resurrection?:

Precious friend @LeeLoving, thanks So Much for the great Bible question.
With God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, there are:

Two Different resurrections for believers:​

1) In God's Revelation Of The Mystery For Today's [ Heavenly ] Body Of Christ, *
we find:​

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which​
are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.​
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which​
sleep in Jesus Will God Bring With Him. For this we say unto you By The Word​
Of The Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of The Lord​
shall not prevent [ precede ] them which are asleep.​
For The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice​
of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:​
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them​
in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with The Lord.​
Wherefore Comfort one another with These Words."​
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 AV)​

"Behold, I shew you A Mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be​
changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for​
the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and​
we shall be changed.​
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on​
immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and​
this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass​
the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."​
(1 Corinthians 15:51-54 AV)​

Conclusion: The [ Heavenly ] Body Of Christ members are "raised from the dead"
and "caught up" to Be With The Lord, to "rule and reign" in the heavenlies! *

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

2) In God's Prophetic Program, For [ earthly ] Israel, in the future, we find
the first [ Prophesied ] resurrection:​

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto​
them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of​
Jesus, and for The Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,​
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or​
in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​
But the rest of the dead [ unbelievers vs 11-15 ] lived not again until the​
thousand years were finished.​
This is the first resurrection.​
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the​
second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,​
and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4-6 AV)​

Conclusion: No, believers do not die, but are "raised from the dead" at
the first resurrection, which is for Israel, to "live and rule" on the earth.

Amen.

* Further Rightly Divided study: God's Great GRACE Departure!

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My cursory understanding is that believers do indeed die during the first resurrection. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

1) The first resurrection is a 1,000 year period where believers live and reign with Jesus.
Nope. The FR happens at the second coming, which happens before the 1000 years begins. The FR is only for the saved dead in Christ, who come back to life.



2) This is evidenced by the fact that Jesus said that those that the Father draws to him he will raise up at the last day.
The last day of this age is the second coming when the FR happens. Believers do not die in the FR, in fact they cannot die because they receive immortality.
 

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I dont think you can die after being resurrected:

Luke 20:34Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God
 

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My cursory understanding is that believers do indeed die during the first resurrection. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

1) The first resurrection is a 1,000 year period where believers live and reign with Jesus.
2) This is evidenced by the fact that Jesus said that those that the Father draws to him he will raise up at the last day.

Am I incorrect in this understanding at all?
what do you mean “ first resurrection ?”

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭

aim aware of the verse in revelation but wondering what you mean by first resurrection
 
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What I see is:
1 Thessalonians 5:10
he died for us so that we can live with him forever, whether we are dead or alive at the time of his return.
God saves, it is done by Son for us all to believe is risen from the dead for us to be given new life in his risen life to love all, not a few.
If I, you or anyone else only loves those that love them, then these are not yet born again
Might be on their way to see and. be new in love to all as all are called through Son. as risen where this new life for our souls are given, whether we die or live, matters not anymore
Romans 14:8
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.
Romans 14:8
Living or dying we follow the Lord. Either way we are his.

therefore in belief to the king, Father installs new life in us that believe Father sincerely, having no more doubt. truthfully hear in truth from Daddy those who seek
there is a time that doubt goes on in each person, wanting to know truth. Truth God loves us all y'all. Otherwise, why would God have sent Son to go willingly to that cross., when Son is perfect, the only one, that is today done, finished, No more sin in the way, once anyone sees God took Iit away for them by Son to see this truth in his resurrection
John 1:33
“I didn’t know he was the one,” John said again, “but at the time God sent me to baptize he told me, ‘When you see the Holy Spirit descending and resting upon someone—he is the one you are looking for. He is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’

Jesus it that one
John 3:33-34
Those who believe him discover that God is a fountain of truth. For this one—sent by God—speaks God’s words, for God’s Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

he is risen it is done for us too be new in God Father's Spirit and Truth given us to do from within us, at least me
John 4:21-24
Jesus replied, “The time is coming, ma’am, when we will no longer be concerned about whether to worship the Father here or in Jerusalem. For it’s not where we worship that counts, but how we worship—is our worship spiritual and real? Do we have the Holy Spirit’s help? For God is Spirit, and we must have his help to worship as we should. The Father wants this kind of worship from us. But you Samaritans know so little about him, worshiping blindly, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes to the world through the Jews.”
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And it is not that the Jews were perfect, just chosen first to reveal to us all none of us can get into the kingdom under Law works to get perfected, it is by God for us in Son to us all. We, at least me needs The risen Jesus's lead in Father's Holy Spirit to love all and not a few, that I got taught in first birth to only love those that love me back, in my anger over being wronged and I naturally had that in my first birth in need to be born new by God, to love all as God obviously does, to me since Jesus went willingly to that cross once for us all (Hebrews 10) to keep me new and in love not wanting or caring for any revenge on anyone, since I have sinned also
God released me, releases all who choose to believe God, God releases you and all others that choose to believe. God just loves you too read the Bible to know God in truth only for you first, then you will see new in love to all too
Thank you
 

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Gen 5:24 . . And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Heb 11:5 . . By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death.


Enoch of course did die because everybody has to at least once.

1 Cor 15:22 . . In Adam all die,

Heb 9:27 . . Man is destined to die once,

However, not everybody has to walk thru the valley of the shadow of death,
viz: many will, and many do, pass from this life to the next so fast that they
completely miss the journey.

For example: were we to ask Enoch what it was like to die, he wouldn't be
able to say because he skipped that part of his passing. But were we to ask
a terminal cancer patient what it was like to die, they'd have a story to tell.
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Gen 5:24 . . And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Heb 11:5 . . By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death.


Enoch of course did die because everybody has to at least once.

1 Cor 15:22 . . In Adam all die,

Heb 9:27 . . Man is destined to die once,

However, not everybody has to walk thru the valley of the shadow of death,
viz: many will, and many do, pass from this life to the next so fast that they
completely miss the journey.


For example: were we to ask Enoch what it was like to die, he wouldn't be
able to say because he skipped that part of his passing. But were we to ask
a terminal cancer patient what it was like to die, they'd have a story to tell.
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Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The forerunner Elijah/ Enoch being John the Baptist that the religious leaders did not recognize
 

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what do you mean “ first resurrection ?”

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭

aim aware of the verse in revelation but wondering what you mean by first resurrection
There are two resurrections, when Jesus returns for his people at the beginning of the 1,000 years. Those who are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as the righteous who are raised at this time are the only people who will have eternal life.

Rev 20:4 KJV
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 KJV

At the end of the thousand years everyone else who ever lived will be resurrected to face judgement, the second death.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 KJV
Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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aim aware of the verse in revelation but wondering what you mean by first resurrection

The "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is not a reference to Christ, but to "the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST".

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


The dead in Christ "rise first" is linguistically related to the "first resurrection". Both are speaking of the same event.


first/G4413 resurrection/G386 is "protos anastasis"
Rise/G450 first/G4412 is "anistemi proton"

Proton and protos are related words that both mean "first". Proton is the neuter of the word protos. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

Anastasis was created from it's root word, anistemi. They are synonyms and are directly related words.

There are not two stages of the first resurrection ie: those who shall rise first. All the dead in Christ will rise at the same exact time. Revelation 20 simply focuses on one group like if there were a million people in a dark room and you shined a flashlight at a group of around a thousand. The others are still there, the light just isn't being shown on them at that time.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

All the dead in Christ will resurrect at the same time. Revelation 20 is only shining a light on one specific group but everyone is actually resurrecting at the same time the beheaded saints are.
 

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My cursory understanding is that believers do indeed die during the first resurrection. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

1) The first resurrection is a 1,000 year period where believers live and reign with Jesus.
2) This is evidenced by the fact that Jesus said that those that the Father draws to him he will raise up at the last day.

Am I incorrect in this understanding at all?
How do you arrive at your opening statement of your understanding from premises 1 and 2 ? There does not seem to be any logical argument getting you there.
 
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Those who are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as the righteous who are raised at this time
are the only people who will have eternal life.

Well; I don't know about the others hereabouts, but I am in possession of
eternal life right now, in this life before I pass on-- and I got it pretty fast
too; no delay and no waiting period.


Note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb in the passages below: it's
present tense rather than future.


John 3:35-36 …He who believes in the Son has eternal life;

John 6:47 …Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 5:24 …I assure you, those who listen to my message, and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into life.


1John 5:13 …I write these things to you who believe in the name of the
Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.


In point of fact, according to God's testimony-- as an expert witness in all
matters pertaining to His son --card-carrying Christians who have not yet
obtained eternal life do not have God's son, i.e. they are quite literally
christless Christians.


1John 5:11-12 …And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life,
and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not
have the life, does not have the Son of God.
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There are two resurrections, when Jesus returns for his people at the beginning of the 1,000 years. Those who are caught up to meet the Lord in the air as the righteous who are raised at this time are the only people who will have eternal life.

Rev 20:4 KJV
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 KJV

At the end of the thousand years everyone else who ever lived will be resurrected to face judgement, the second death.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 KJV
Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
your looking at revelation as of it’s a linear timeline of sequential events that’s not how I see it .

There are two testaments in the Bible one that was given exclusively to the nation of Israel . In thier covenant God promised to raise then from the dead who had believed when the messiah came to them who would fulfill the law and prophets thier covenant

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thier covenant promises regarding the messiah one of the final ones to be fulfilled is this

“Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, ( israel ) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel…..
Ezekiel‬ ‭37:11-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you think it’s strange the Bible in it’s scriptures has two testaments,

each holding a promise of a mass resurrection for the people

and then revelation speaks of two resurrections seperated by a very long period of time ?

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬

the two resurrections are of the two groups of people that are saved on the narrative this group had a covenant with God that promised a resurrection

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. ( old covenant )


(and this group which have a covenant with God that promises a resurrection to the people the gospel )

After this( new covenant ) I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4, 9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Personally I think it’s not a good idea to look at johns heavenly vision as literal as a literal giant seven headed beast will rise up or a literal dragon will fall from the heavens or there will be a literal seven years of tribulation or a literal thousand years between resurrections

I think if you look close in the Bible there are two testaments and both are shown in revelation two resurrections are just those two covenants promises of resurrection

But a disclaimer this is just my own opinion regarding the matter and it doesn’t mean I’m right and you’re wrong it’s just how I see it and I respect your views also . I’m just another idiot online who thinks he knows a little bit about the Bible so have a salt shaker handy
 
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Well; I don't know about the others hereabouts, but I am in possession of
eternal life right now, in this life before I pass on-- and I got it pretty fast
too; no delay and no waiting period.


Note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb in the passages below: it's
present tense rather than future.


John 3:35-36 …He who believes in the Son has eternal life;

John 6:47 …Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 5:24 …I assure you, those who listen to my message, and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into life.


1John 5:13 …I write these things to you who believe in the name of the
Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.


In point of fact, according to God's testimony-- as an expert witness in all
matters pertaining to His son --card-carrying Christians who have not yet
obtained eternal life do not have God's son, i.e. they are quite literally
christless Christians.


1John 5:11-12 …And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life,
and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not
have the life, does not have the Son of God.
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Believe God, receive from God and be new in God, having love spread out in our new hearts given us to all, thanks appreciate this truth getting posted from you
 

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Well; I don't know about the others hereabouts, but I am in possession of
eternal life right now, in this life before I pass on-- and I got it pretty fast
too; no delay and no waiting period.


Note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb in the passages below: it's
present tense rather than future.


John 3:35-36 …He who believes in the Son has eternal life;

John 6:47 …Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 5:24 …I assure you, those who listen to my message, and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from death into life.


1John 5:13 …I write these things to you who believe in the name of the
Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.


In point of fact, according to God's testimony-- as an expert witness in all
matters pertaining to His son --card-carrying Christians who have not yet
obtained eternal life do not have God's son, i.e. they are quite literally
christless Christians.


1John 5:11-12 …And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life,
and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not
have the life, does not have the Son of God.
_
Adam and Eve had eternal life until they sinned. The Bible goes to great lengths to warn against receiving the mark of the beast, the warning is for the Christians since pagans most likely aren't going to heed anything else in the Bible including Revelation. That would include the warning words of Jesus:
[Mat 24:3-13 KJV] 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 

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Adam and Eve had eternal life until they sinned. The Bible goes to great lengths to warn against receiving the mark of the beast, the warning is for the Christians since pagans most likely aren't going to heed anything else in the Bible including Revelation. That would include the warning words of Jesus:
[Mat 24:3-13 KJV] 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Where does the Bible say that Adam and Eve had eternal life?
 

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Where does the Bible say that Adam and Eve had eternal life?
There were two trees in particular, the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life. If they had not been deceived by Satan they would have access to the tree of life.

Gen 2:16 KJV
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 KJV
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:22 KJV
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

This is to be restored:
Rev 22:1 KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 KJV
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 KJV
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 KJV
And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 KJV
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 22:14 KJV
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 

Cameron143

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There were two trees in particular, the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life. If they had not been deceived by Satan they would have access to the tree of life.

Gen 2:16 KJV
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 KJV
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:22 KJV
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

This is to be restored:
Rev 22:1 KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 KJV
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 KJV
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 KJV
And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 KJV
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 22:14 KJV
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Where does it say they ate of the tree of life? If not, where did the eternal life you say they possessed come from? And how can life characterized as eternal be lost?
 

rrcn

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Where does it say they ate of the tree of life? If not, where did the eternal life you say they possessed come from? And how can life characterized as eternal be lost?
So, what is your take on this, were Adam and Eve created to die? Why was it so imperative that they were cast out of the garden so they could not eat of the tree of life. Before the fall they were sinless.
Rom 6:23 KJV
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.