Right.. back in the days when men were gentlemen, and women didn't work because they were oppressed, and the oppressors opened the door for the ladies. Ahh the good old days...
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Right.. back in the days when men were gentlemen, and women didn't work because they were oppressed, and the oppressors opened the door for the ladies. Ahh the good old days...
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biblicalsandy
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I don't hate men....It is just like when someone calls a black person a ni****, that word represents trash (which I call no person)..and I have seen trash come in many colors. I discern between actions that I have witnessed, and not from someone else's mouth. If it is the victim telling me about their situation, I do not go by first response..but ask simple question to the victim not denying their pain. The reason why, is to see if they are performing under Narcissist tendencies. I always want to make sure who really is the victim, if I am to be involved. So everyone is equal to me! If a man claims rape, it should not be taken lightly, just as a woman!
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Yes, but your the exception to the rule, aren't you? And the exceptions to the rule, prove the rule exists. You might be fair and just in your assessment of situations, but that doesn't mean everyone is or everyone will be. Men will be and are being, falsely accused of rape by extortionate women and a lot of them are getting away with it.
Regardless if there is exceptions to the rule, we should tell men to learn the rule, take preventive measures, and not wish and hope that the exception comes by.
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It's a good thing you don't get called the male version of "feminist" in a derogatory way when you bring up double-standards against men. I wish I knew what that was like...
Oh no, I've been called many things by many women and to my surprise, even men. (men fighting against their own self-interest is quite a amazing thing to watch).
Loser, can't get laid, no one would want you anyway, your just bitter against women, who hurt you, living in basement, ect.
I guess after them learning i'm married, that puts them back in a corner.
Yes but you do come across as bitter toward women because almost all your posts are about how women are constantly doing things to hurt men. I get the sense that you feel it's much easier to be female than male, if that sort of thing can even be assessed. I may be wrong on that point but it's just how I see things. I apologize for being harsh but I wonder why it seems that way?
I do agree that the double standard against men in rape situations is ridiculous. I believe that in the case of false accusations, some of that comes from a history of the opposite treatment. Did you know that in some parts of the world as late as the 19th century a woman could be jailed after being raped because she made the man think and do "unpleasant" things? What I'm trying to say is that there is a bigger picture here and that it hurts both men and women. Some women won't be taken seriously now when they have been victimized because of the evil women who falsely accused a man of rape. There is a trickle effect that takes place when evil is allowed to flourish.
No you are correct, not that I am bitter, but that I do pick on women a lot. I could go into details why, but I think my efforts in explaining would be wasted. Most women only hear what they want to hear, and see only what they want to see. And for that reason, unless I think they have some sort of empathy towards actually trying to understand living in a guys shoes, I won't waste my time for someone who doesn't care to see the other side.
And that is where men and women separate. You see, you talk about injustice done to women in the past, mostly because its been cleaned up by now. I'm talking about injustice towards men that is happening live and current. Your want to say, women are victims in the past, and I want to say, men are the victims right now. Now ask yourself this question, which one needs saving? One already has been saved, one needs help right away, but they do not get that help, because their men. No one cares about men.
Just throwing this in here for anyone who feels that hundreds of innocent men are going to prison because women are evil.
Does it happen? Probably once in a while, yes. Which is very sad. Just as sad as hundreds and thousands of women who never see justice or even SEEK justice after being violently raped. Let's keep it real, folks.
https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
Okay, lets get real.
[video=youtube;zOP793671p0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOP793671p0[/video]
So what we are agreeing to, is that both men and women face problems in society. Both problems need to be addressed. Neither problem is any less real than the other. Saying that one of them is a problem does not negate the fact that the other is also a problem. Yes?
It doesn't have to be us against you. We can ALL fight against all of the problems. There's no need to attack womankind in order to fight for men's rights.
And that is why men's problems will never get fixed or solve because of statements like that. How is a guy who is getting abused by his spouse going to speak out and solve it, if the women just say "HEY! YOUR ATTACKING WOMANKIND, STOP!".
It seems freedom of speech is very 1 sided. Women want to openly trash men, while men must be kept quiet about their pains and ills. Its the very reason why the suicide rates are so high, because as you've just proven, your indifferent to mens suffering.
So, regardless of women like what I say about them or not, I'm still going to open up and say it for the men who don't have a voice because women have shamed them to not have one.
The problem here is generalization. You tend to paint every woman with the same brush. I can go through your posts and find this in most of them. This is what I mean by attacking womankind. If you can find any place where I've done this to men, please let me know.
Your habit of doing this harms your own gender in the end, for several reasons. First, it causes women to become defensive, when otherwise they would have been on your side because most women would definitely agree that manipulation, physical, emotional and even spiritual abuse toward men is WRONG. These women could be your allies in your fight, but instead they are alienated and have become enemies. Which makes you even more frustrated and causes you to feel even more justified in your generalizations against them. Second, this chronic attitude causes you to lose credibility among both women and men.
So what if I paint women with the same brush? If the shoe fits, then wear it. I hear women all the time say how men are dogs and pigs. I don't get mad because I know I don't fit the bill. But if women are getting mad, then perhaps the shoe fits them alittle bit to comfortably.
Before I even respond to your reasons, women have done men so much harm as is, they certainly don't need MY help.
Yes, they know its wrong. But what have they done about it? Nothing. Where was these women when babies were being voted on to be murdered in the womb? Where was these women when men were getting fleeced through divorce court? Where was these women to defend their men when a false accusation was done against them? They have done nothing, because thanks to feminism, men are enemy number one. Even now as I generalize all women, all you can think about is how I should be supporting women, rather than understanding living in a mans shoes. Women would rather have their feelings comforted rather than hear the truth.
So your suggestion is to make women my allies and then watch them sit around and do nothing but complain? While men at this very second are tieing ropes around their necks and jumping off of chairs, your main concern isn't the fact that their going to hell. Nope. Your main concern is how i'm making women "feeeel" about themselves. Then if I made women feel good enough about themselves, maybe they would actually care enough about men killing themselves. Wow.
Women yes, but men have privately told me they agree with me, because men know the pain and suffering they have to go through just to get by. Women could never understand what men have to do, just so they don't have to do it. If you want a example, forced military service. Its men getting shot at, dodging bullets, and just trying to keep their skin alive, and for what? So women can sit at home and watch the price is right.
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kenthomas27
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Well I got no dog in this fight. Your points are valid - EXCEPT for the little graph indicating 98 out of 100 rapists go unpunished. Also says 68 % of rapes go unreported? I mean - how do they even come up with that number? I don't know. Regardless of whether the numbers are accurate - which they probably aren't. It may be worse! Or it may not be. Point is that the generalization is, true or not, that 98 out a hundred men get away with rape. So the point you made was that men don't get punished for rape, even when they're caught. And you prove that by providing unsubstantiated graphs. That's generalization and up there in your message you said to let you know if there was one and so I did.
I haven't seen these graphs, but its possible that if a woman were given an anonymous survey, she might say that she was raped, but didn't report it. Don't know that this is were the stats come from, but maybe.Well I got no dog in this fight. Your points are valid - EXCEPT for the little graph indicating 98 out of 100 rapists go unpunished. Also says 68 % of rapes go unreported? I mean - how do they even come up with that number? I don't know. Regardless of whether the numbers are accurate - which they probably aren't. It may be worse! Or it may not be. Point is that the generalization is, true or not, that 98 out a hundred men get away with rape. So the point you made was that men don't get punished for rape, even when they're caught. And you prove that by providing unsubstantiated graphs. That's generalization and up there in your message you said to let you know if there was one and so I did.
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kenthomas27
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That could be true violakat! But who did they interview? Random women? Or was the polling more cunning? Or did they interview anyone at all? That's kinda the problem I have with these things. The graph I was speaking of is this one:
The issue I have is these are numbers based on hidden information or information that is or probably is arbitrary. I have the same problem with polling. It's like i don't believe anything anymore, but I especially doubt snipets like these that are intended to paint a picture of fact when they might be anything but. We just really don't know and I think a lot of "facts" are in fact manipulated for political reasons or for generalizations.
The whole, "Our problems are bigger than your problems" seems like a zero-sum game.
Ultimately, the question we all must ask ourselves is this: Is my response to injustice making me MORE like Jesus or LESS like Jesus.
If a group is being treated unfairly and my response to this injustice is to vilify another group--to engage in emotive, inaccurate, and unfair language, to put the sins of individuals upon the entire group, to become gruff, unkind, and vaguely contemptuous of the individuals because of the perceived wrongs of the group, to dehumanize people to shore up my feelings of hatred, revenge, misunderstanding, etc. If THESE are my responses, then I'm not being like Jesus.
The idea that if we care for a particular group we must slam, speak ill of, become bitter about, or otherwise diminish another group is a very limited way of addressing a problem. Seeing with God's eyes mean we see the world as it really is. Slanting it in our favor only strokes our own ego while it starves our spirit.
Ultimately, the question we all must ask ourselves is this: Is my response to injustice making me MORE like Jesus or LESS like Jesus.
If a group is being treated unfairly and my response to this injustice is to vilify another group--to engage in emotive, inaccurate, and unfair language, to put the sins of individuals upon the entire group, to become gruff, unkind, and vaguely contemptuous of the individuals because of the perceived wrongs of the group, to dehumanize people to shore up my feelings of hatred, revenge, misunderstanding, etc. If THESE are my responses, then I'm not being like Jesus.
The idea that if we care for a particular group we must slam, speak ill of, become bitter about, or otherwise diminish another group is a very limited way of addressing a problem. Seeing with God's eyes mean we see the world as it really is. Slanting it in our favor only strokes our own ego while it starves our spirit.
One more thing...
The idea that we, as individuals, cannot be moral because of the behavior of a group is inaccurate and sinful. When we stand before God, he won't take the "Well, they were mean to me first...." schtick.
Even in the face of egregious sin on the part of others, we are still must be like Jesus. This is best accomplished by focusing on Jesus instead of the injustice (imo).
The idea that we, as individuals, cannot be moral because of the behavior of a group is inaccurate and sinful. When we stand before God, he won't take the "Well, they were mean to me first...." schtick.
Even in the face of egregious sin on the part of others, we are still must be like Jesus. This is best accomplished by focusing on Jesus instead of the injustice (imo).
Well I got no dog in this fight. Your points are valid - EXCEPT for the little graph indicating 98 out of 100 rapists go unpunished. Also says 68 % of rapes go unreported? I mean - how do they even come up with that number? I don't know. Regardless of whether the numbers are accurate - which they probably aren't. It may be worse! Or it may not be. Point is that the generalization is, true or not, that 98 out a hundred men get away with rape. So the point you made was that men don't get punished for rape, even when they're caught. And you prove that by providing unsubstantiated graphs. That's generalization and up there in your message you said to let you know if there was one and so I did.
The link I listed below the graph goes to the website which lists the sources used to make it.
[h=5]References[/h] [h=6]
- Justice Department, National Crime Victimization Survey: 2008-2012
- FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, Arrest Data: 2006-2010
- FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, Offenses Cleared Data: 2006-2010
- Department of Justice, Felony Defendents in Large Urban Counties: 2009
- Department of Justice, Felony Defendents in Large Urban Counties: 2009