Do u believe this ?

[Aaron56]

please

I missed that you saw my point but for the sake of explanation I'll expound a bit.

First, restraint does not only act on bad behavior. It merely limits possible behaviors. God the Father is restrained by love. "God is love". It's His nature. So what He does will always be consistent with love. The challenge for people may be to understand His love, but He will never act outside of love. By this principle He is restrained. Since He is all-powerful, this is a limit only He can impose upon Himself. No person or thing can restrain God since He is Lord of all. But He may willingly put limits upon Himself. And, because He cannot lie or deceive, He abides within His own limits.

Then Jesus before his death and resurrection was restrained by the flesh. He had to eat, sleep, and do all the menial things a man needed. He had to grow up from a baby to an adult, await adulthood to have any measure of authority within society, etc. By His example He limited Himself to do "only what He saw the Father doing". Again, this was self-imposed restraint. His flesh made Him vulnerable to temptation yet He never gave in to the desires of the flesh and remained perfect ("tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin").

Lastly, the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ after His resurrection, was restrained to only deliver what He was given by the Lord. "He will not speak on His own authority" ("..for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak"). So, He has an authority of His own, but He is willfully restrained to only speak what He hears from the Lord.

In all of this is the humility of God: how He humbles Himself to Himself, if you will. This should not be strange. He seals promises to Himself, too. And all of this is for our benefit. It's an anchor for our souls that He has chosen His Son (and all who are in Him) as the object of His love.

 

[God-fearing]

Since you started it...

Did Jesus change from being a little baby to an adult man? If you answer "Yes" then how do you deal with "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever."?

Furthermore, Jesus refers to Himself as "the Son of Man" many times. How do you reconcile that with the verse you quoted "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent..."?

Jesus became flesh my friend. He was not created he always was. He was and is the word of God. God in the flesh.

God is not a man, that he should lie( men lie.) Neither the son of man that he should repent( natural men have to repent.)
Jesus was sinless therefore no repentance necessary.

 

[God-fearing]

I missed that you saw my point but for the sake of explanation I'll expound a bit.

First, restraint does not only act on bad behavior. It merely limits possible behaviors. God the Father is restrained by love. "God is love". It's His nature. So what He does will always be consistent with love. The challenge for people may be to understand His love, but He will never act outside of love. By this principle He is restrained. Since He is all-powerful, this is a limit only He can impose upon Himself. No person or thing can restrain God since He is Lord of all. But He may willingly put limits upon Himself. And, because He cannot lie or deceive, He abides within His own limits.

Then Jesus before his death and resurrection was restrained by the flesh. He had to eat, sleep, and do all the menial things a man needed. He had to grow up from a baby to an adult, await adulthood to have any measure of authority within society, etc. By His example He limited Himself to do "only what He saw the Father doing". Again, this was self-imposed restraint. His flesh made Him vulnerable to temptation yet He never gave in to the desires of the flesh and remained perfect ("tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin").

Lastly, the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ after His resurrection, was restrained to only deliver what He was given by the Lord. "He will not speak on His own authority" ("..for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak"). So, He has an authority of His own, but He is willfully restrained to only speak what He hears from the Lord.

In all of this is the humility of God: how He humbles Himself to Himself, if you will. This should not be strange. He seals promises to Himself, too. And all of this is for our benefit. It's an anchor for our souls that He has chosen His Son (and all who are in Him) as the object of His love.

I see where your are coming from a view point well taken but error in your understanding.
Your dealing with the concept based on human emotion. God deals with truth raw and uncensored.
I have never ment a human having what is referred to as agape love in all their ways.
To say God/Jesus is restrained is to say they had to act according to their promise or commitment when scripture paints a different picture.
Jesus with just a reply... I am ...knocked down the arresting army in the garden. He also said the many angles are at the ready to fight if necessary.
But the greatest of examples is this....death especially the second death was and is never off the table.
Jesus struggled with human emotion and overcame it out of obedience to the truth.
The gospel is the story of how far a loving father will go for his children.

 

[Blade]

So , I'm reading the Gospel of John . Ch 20 , verses 22+23 . Jesus breathes on his disciples and bestows upon them the Holy Spirit . Firstly , who was there , just the 11 or , lots of disciples ?
Secondly , would that include any women that were there ?
Now verse 23 ; Whose soever sins ye remit , they are remitted to them ; and whose soever sins ye retain , they are retained .
If u , me , any of us , believe that we have the permenant indwelling of God's Holy Spirit , in the same way that these disciples / apostles had , do we have the power / responsibility / ability , to remit or retain another person's sins to them ? If u believe this please explain , if u don't believe this please explain . Looking forward to your input .

To the 1st part.. for who so ever to cast out demons to speak with new tongues to lay hand on the sick they shall recover... has to be filled with the holy Ghost. Who so ever believes take the 120.. that was not just men.. it was men and woman.. allot. Wanna see how far you can go with GOD? Believe.. faith.. just believe what He said.. and do not doubt. Faith is the only way to please Him

 

[CS1]

I missed that you saw my point but for the sake of explanation I'll expound a bit.

First, restraint does not only act on bad behavior. It merely limits possible behaviors. God the Father is restrained by love. "God is love". It's His nature. So what He does will always be consistent with love. The challenge for people may be to understand His love, but He will never act outside of love. By this principle He is restrained. Since He is all-powerful, this is a limit only He can impose upon Himself. No person or thing can restrain God since He is Lord of all. But He may willingly put limits upon Himself. And, because He cannot lie or deceive, He abides within His own limits.

Then Jesus before his death and resurrection was restrained by the flesh. He had to eat, sleep, and do all the menial things a man needed. He had to grow up from a baby to an adult, await adulthood to have any measure of authority within society, etc. By His example He limited Himself to do "only what He saw the Father doing". Again, this was self-imposed restraint. His flesh made Him vulnerable to temptation yet He never gave in to the desires of the flesh and remained perfect ("tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin").

Lastly, the Holy Spirit, sent by Christ after His resurrection, was restrained to only deliver what He was given by the Lord. "He will not speak on His own authority" ("..for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak"). So, He has an authority of His own, but He is willfully restrained to only speak what He hears from the Lord.

In all of this is the humility of God: how He humbles Himself to Himself, if you will. This should not be strange. He seals promises to Himself, too. And all of this is for our benefit. It's an anchor for our souls that He has chosen His Son (and all who are in Him) as the object of His love.

Very good explanation. Thank you I very much liked "God the Father is restrained by love."

 

[Aaron56]

I see where your are coming from a view point well taken but error in your understanding.
Your dealing with the concept based on human emotion. God deals with truth raw and uncensored.
I have never ment a human having what is referred to as agape love in all their ways.
To say God/Jesus is restrained is to say they had to act according to their promise or commitment when scripture paints a different picture.
Jesus with just a reply... I am ...knocked down the arresting army in the garden. He also said the many angles are at the ready to fight if necessary.
But the greatest of examples is this....death especially the second death was and is never off the table.
Jesus struggled with human emotion and overcame it out of obedience to the truth.
The gospel is the story of how far a loving father will go for his children.

It is very rare that I mix human emotion with God's character. I think you're projecting into the text something that is not in there but is in you. Do you want help?

 

[God-fearing]

It is very rare that I mix human emotion with God's character. I think you're projecting into the text something that is not in there but is in you. Do you want help?

Basically I'm just at odds by the word restrained...I find the word compelled to be more accurate.
It may be a tomato tomatoes issue.
But still it does not explain the differences between God and Jesus. That's basically my focus here.

 

[Mem]

I see where your are coming from a view point well taken but error in your understanding.
Your dealing with the concept based on human emotion. God deals with truth raw and uncensored.
I have never ment a human having what is referred to as agape love in all their ways.
To say God/Jesus is restrained is to say they had to act according to their promise or commitment when scripture paints a different picture.
Jesus with just a reply... I am ...knocked down the arresting army in the garden. He also said the many angles are at the ready to fight if necessary.

Was Jesus using the fullness of His force when the centurions were knocked down?

But the greatest of examples is this....death especially the second death was and is never off the table.

What 'restrained' Him from killing them all?

Jesus struggled with human emotion and overcame it out of obedience to the truth.

Did you mean that Jesus was tempted to be angry but overcame it out of obedience to the truth that human emotion is sinful?

The gospel is the story of how far a loving father will go for his children.

The Father sent His Son who sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in those who believe in Him, thus completing the 'three strand chord' of witness to the truth of God's mercy and justice. If you receive both, wholeheartedly, then the second death is, indeed, off the table, and considering the second death to be "never off the table" is accepting that whole truth only half-heartedly, because you're missing the Holy Spirit's "Amen."

 

[Suze]

To the 1st part.. for who so ever to cast out demons to speak with new tongues to lay hand on the sick they shall recover... has to be filled with the holy Ghost. Who so ever believes take the 120.. that was not just men.. it was men and woman.. allot. Wanna see how far you can go with GOD? Believe.. faith.. just believe what He said.. and do not doubt. Faith is the only way to please Him

I needed to hear that today , thank you so much .

 

[Aaron56]

Basically I'm just at odds by the word restrained...I find the word compelled to be more accurate.
It may be a tomato tomatoes issue.
But still it does not explain the differences between God and Jesus. That's basically my focus here.

In character, there was no difference.

Some examples of differences: Jesus had a body that could be injured or killed, could grow tired and hungry, etc. Jesus was limited in time and space in that He could only be in one spot at one time.

Upon His resurrection He became the Life-giving Spirit and was no longer bound by time and space. As "The Christ" He can now receive the spirits of men unto Himself. His "flesh and bones" are comprised those included in Him, those who receive Him as Lord and Savior.

Again, one who is "all-powerful" can only restrain himself. Since power is assumed to be "all" the only thing limiting God is His will and His character. As I wrote above, God is restrained by love because He said He is. He can also never lie, because He said He won't. These things do not diminish Him. He postures Himself in such a way because of the object of His love: His Son, in whom we are included if be receive Him.

 

[Lamar]

Yes, as Christians, we have this power or authority. If we proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ to someone and they receive it, then we can tell them that their sins are remitted.

Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

At the same time, if we proclaim the gospel of Jesus to someone and they reject it, then we can tell them that their sins are retained.​

We as individuals can make no such claim!

 

[God-fearing]

Was Jesus using the fullness of His force when the centurions were knocked down?

What 'restrained' Him from killing them all?

Did you mean that Jesus was tempted to be angry but overcame it out of obedience to the truth that human emotion is sinful?

The Father sent His Son who sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in those who believe in Him, thus completing the 'three strand chord' of witness to the truth of God's mercy and justice. If you receive both, wholeheartedly, then the second death is, indeed, off the table, and considering the second death to be "never off the table" is accepting that whole truth only half-heartedly, because you're missing the Holy Spirit's "Amen."

Question to you...at the end of the day could you send away to the second death those whom you created

 

[Mem]

Question to you...at the end of the day could you send away to the second death those whom you created

If I came to lay down my life for to serve them salvation at my first advent, when I came with my glory set aside, in accordance with my will, and then they tried to subject me to such subservience, according to their demand, at my second advent when I come in full glory? ...Well, then yes, I certainly would.

 

[God-fearing]

If I came to lay down my life for to serve them salvation at my first advent, when I came with my glory set aside, in accordance with my will, and then they tried to subject me to such subservience, according to their demand, at my second advent when I come in full glory? ...Well, then yes, I certainly would.

Fair enough .........but I do detect some hesitation in your reply.......... It could be just me

 

[Mem]

Fair enough .........but I do detect some hesitation in your reply.......... It could be just me

Perhaps you're just picking up on the sense of long suffering.