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We absoutely have the entire word of God in the Bible. All scripture was given by inspiration of God. He made sure that all that was required to make us wise unto slavation was recorded, nothing is missing. If anyone doesn't bleieve that , they don't think Almighty God is able to preserve His own word.
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That's not true. Those books are part of the Apocrypha and were added to the Bible. They were not in the Hebrew scriptures of the Old Testament. One doesn't have to read them very long to see that they are not inspired writings. Just read 'Bel and the Dragon' and you'll see what I mean. And the additions to the book of Esther were obvioulsy added by some who didn't like the fact that God isn't mentioned in the book of Esther. The additions mention God left and right. Some of the writings have some historical value, such as the books of Maccabees, but they are not authoritative in any way with regard to doctrine.
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Exactly!!!!
It was not until 1546 A.D. that the Catholic church added these extra books. They claim that they gave us the Bible in 397 A.D. and then, nearly 1150 years later, they add 7, not 6, extra books to it. So, if they are the "infallible guardian of divine truth", then at which period did they err?
None of these books are contained in the Jewish canon, those giving the responsibility of perserving the Oracles of God. In the New Testamanet, there are 295 Old Testament direct quotes, and still more allusions to others. But yet, not once did Christ or the apostles quote or refer to these extra Catholic Books.
"Tobias" teaches salvation by works (4:8-11, 12:8-9).
"Wisdom of Solomon" contradicts the creation by saying, "made the world of matter without form" (11:18). Truth cannot condradict truth. Either God created all things in the beginning or God created with pre-existing matter!!!
This book also mentions dreadful monsters of the imagination attacking and killing people (11:18-20).
"Judith" is a story of waiting upon the Lord and trusting Him for deliverance. Here, we have Judith telling the Jews to do such, but yet, claiming to be a prophetess of God, thus, God approved, she lied and deceived Holofernes, who was about to lay seize upon the Jews, and cut off his head. This makes God an endorser of her lies and a participant in the same by assisting her in her plot.
Also, there are errors in Judith about historical figures, dates, and events.
"Ecclesiasticus" also teaches salvation by works (3:32-34). It also teaches not to "be perfect as the Father" in showing your kindness to both the righteous and the wicked (Matt 5:44-48), by saying, "do good to the humble, and give not to the ungodly: hold back thy bread, and give it not to him, lest thereby he overmaster thee. For thou shalt receive twice as much evil for all the good thou shalt have done to him..." (12:6-7). There are many other things which can be found in the book which are contradictive to Wisdom.
"Baruch" teaches the dead praying to God. (3:4) Perhaps, coupled with 2 Maccbees saying,"sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead" thier reasoning behind Purgatory. And that sacrifice of money received for the dead, is perhaps the reason they recieve payment for praying for the dead. This book goes hand-in-hand with 2 Maccabees.
"1 and 2 Maccabees" are full of chronological errors, that even the Catholic church sidesnotes a lot of critques on these book's accuracy.
Those who are interested, please follow the link below for a more detailed expose of these books.
The Extra Catholic Books
It was not until 1546 A.D. that the Catholic church added these extra books. They claim that they gave us the Bible in 397 A.D. and then, nearly 1150 years later, they add 7, not 6, extra books to it. So, if they are the "infallible guardian of divine truth", then at which period did they err?
None of these books are contained in the Jewish canon, those giving the responsibility of perserving the Oracles of God. In the New Testamanet, there are 295 Old Testament direct quotes, and still more allusions to others. But yet, not once did Christ or the apostles quote or refer to these extra Catholic Books.
"Tobias" teaches salvation by works (4:8-11, 12:8-9).
"Wisdom of Solomon" contradicts the creation by saying, "made the world of matter without form" (11:18). Truth cannot condradict truth. Either God created all things in the beginning or God created with pre-existing matter!!!
This book also mentions dreadful monsters of the imagination attacking and killing people (11:18-20).
"Judith" is a story of waiting upon the Lord and trusting Him for deliverance. Here, we have Judith telling the Jews to do such, but yet, claiming to be a prophetess of God, thus, God approved, she lied and deceived Holofernes, who was about to lay seize upon the Jews, and cut off his head. This makes God an endorser of her lies and a participant in the same by assisting her in her plot.
Also, there are errors in Judith about historical figures, dates, and events.
"Ecclesiasticus" also teaches salvation by works (3:32-34). It also teaches not to "be perfect as the Father" in showing your kindness to both the righteous and the wicked (Matt 5:44-48), by saying, "do good to the humble, and give not to the ungodly: hold back thy bread, and give it not to him, lest thereby he overmaster thee. For thou shalt receive twice as much evil for all the good thou shalt have done to him..." (12:6-7). There are many other things which can be found in the book which are contradictive to Wisdom.
"Baruch" teaches the dead praying to God. (3:4) Perhaps, coupled with 2 Maccbees saying,"sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead" thier reasoning behind Purgatory. And that sacrifice of money received for the dead, is perhaps the reason they recieve payment for praying for the dead. This book goes hand-in-hand with 2 Maccabees.
"1 and 2 Maccabees" are full of chronological errors, that even the Catholic church sidesnotes a lot of critques on these book's accuracy.
Those who are interested, please follow the link below for a more detailed expose of these books.
The Extra Catholic Books
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Ecclesiasticus? The same book that says this?
Ecclesiasticus 22:3
3 It is a disgrace to have fathered a badly brought-up son, but the birth of any daughter is a loss
Source http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=28 <-- click
Ecclesiasticus 22:3
3 It is a disgrace to have fathered a badly brought-up son, but the birth of any daughter is a loss
Source http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=28 <-- click
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Ive never imagined that God who rules all His creation would
be passive when it came to the cannon even if He had used chickens
to do the work. Then allow it to contain that it has all in it that pertains
to life and godliness. Hmmm. Simply not even questionable. Answer: Yes!
Second question would be who cares, if noone reads it? Or reads it
then confronted with the world and compromises it.
be passive when it came to the cannon even if He had used chickens
to do the work. Then allow it to contain that it has all in it that pertains
to life and godliness. Hmmm. Simply not even questionable. Answer: Yes!
Second question would be who cares, if noone reads it? Or reads it
then confronted with the world and compromises it.
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I've read some portions of Sirach and it does appear to be very biblical sound however, that doesn't necessarily mean it's divinely inspired. From my understanding Sirach barely missed out on being accepted into the original King James due to some sort of technicality and not because anyone found fault with the 'doctrine' found within. It doesn't help that it was written after Malachi thus many who hold to the idea that Malachi was the last prophet until John the Baptist won't accept it.
Aren't fathers required to give away daughters in marriage? That would be a loss, in a sense. Especially if you look at it from a family farm/ranch type of perspective.
Wouldn't sons and their families stay on the land of their inheritance and help their whole family with crops and cattle and such? Unless they were brought up badly...
