Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[Gabriel2020]

I just explained to you. you are looking at the world's perspective of good works. It has nothing to do with the kingdom of God.

 

[Chester]

Would you say Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians?

Because they spend their whole lives doing good works.

How can an unbeliever do any sort of "good" works? Believers are the workmanship of God and do good works only through the Holy Spirit in them.

Unbelievers do works, but that is what they are: works -- Unbelievers do not do good works.

 

[LPT]

i have been told that in the ancient Hebrew marriage ceremony ((not quite what is followed today)), there are several steps: from choosing the bride, paying a price for her, and betrothing her, then a period of time before the groom comes to snatch her away, the wedding feast, then the consummation. in the time between the betrothal and the groom coming for her, it is the father of the groom who sets the date & alone gives approval for the time. i have been told it was customary when the groom was asked about the time of the marriage to refer all questions to his father - because 'he alone knows the day and hour' - even to use exactly this phraseology.

if this is all so, Jesus is making a direct reference to marriage that would have been unmistakable to anyone in His immediate audience - one that doesn't necessarily imply ignorance, but follows a ceremonial custom full of meaning, and directly correlates to the parable of the 10 maidens waiting for the groom to come at a time unknown to them, to snatch away the bride.



in Revelation 19:12 it is said He has a name written that 'no one knows but He Himself'
does Omniscient God not know this name? does Christ know something that YHVH is ignorant of?
or are the Father and the Son one

Hmm,, I find this quite fascinating indeed, thanks for the read I enjoyed it

 

[LPT]

I see your a trickster as well,

sorry for calling you names, I apologize Mailmandan you didn't deserve that at all, have great day my friend

 

[seed_time_harvest]

we need to comprehend why in John 13:34 He calls this "a new commandment" -- considering that love your neighbor is not new; it's in Leviticus 19, and love God is not new; it's in Deuteronomy 6.

Men loved darkness,how would men be perfect the way our Father In heaven Is perfect?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Pay close attention here. Notice I am quoting you directly not putting quotes around something I have typed saying it is yours with a twisted, even perverse, understandign.

NOw you use the term,"We," and I know some of whom you are referring to.

I could use that term only because when I am passing on the teaching of Jesus christ it is with the understanding afforded by theHoly Spirit, and not a gang of uninformable individuals who are desperate to teach agains the least of the laws, not, agains all of the laws that remains since our Lord and sAvior fuflilled so many and is yet fulfilling them in all who have come to Him in Spirit and Truth.

AS the rich man was told about Lazarus, I will paraphrase to you. If you cannot believe someone who rose from the dead, you cannot believe me.

I will state the truth as i see it,

you THINK you teach what jesus said, you can say you do until your blue in theface, it does not make it a fact.

In fact, i can say to you, I teach what jesus taught, and use the same logic you do, but what good would it do? We both do not teach what jesus taught, so we have a strawman, or an illogical argument which can go both ways, and does not help in th discussion, it becomes a he said she said, which will get no where.

you want to teach what you think he said do it, knowing people who disagree with you will give their view, then you and him can discuss it, or others can see and discuss. You getting mad and ignoring people rmcalling them names because they disagree, just makes things worse. Can you show humility? Or is that too hard?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All of you who seem to think we are not to adhere to Jesus Christ's own teaching on the law may cease from
bringing empty words with no basis to the forum.

Unless you quote our Lord with all of His teaching in heart, mind and spirit, I am afraid you will always be lawless, and disobedient.

Another strawman, just attack and belittle poeple who disagree with you on no basis of fact,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The following is from the Word........ You obey your parents in this age........so why do you not want to obey the Father.

You do know Jesus is our Father, right? (I may get flack on this one, but it is in the Word, everywhere.)

Good night from over here, or Buenas Noches. I want you all to be in the Kingdom......ñbut you probably do not believe it......God bless..j

Everyone here wants to obey the father, but they want to do it the rigt way (the law of love) not the impossible way (the law of moses)

you go ahead thinking you keep the law of moses. God will show you some day how far you fall short. I just pray its not in eternity when you finally see it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ah,yes.....how predictable.

I knew you'd go here again.

You didn't get it the other times I explained it. Are you going to this time?


Why don't you ask your Calvinist once saved always saved buddies what THEY mean when they say the person living in sin is not saved? You won't listen to me because you're holding a grudge against me, but maybe you'll be able to hear what they have to say.

Ths is why ralph can never understand what anyone says or believes, he thinks it is a calvanist debate.

News flash, eternal life did not come from calvin, it came from the promise of God,

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Everyone here wants to obey the father, but they want to do it the rigt way (the law of love) not the impossible way (the law of moses)

you go ahead thinking you keep the law of moses. God will show you some day how far you fall short. I just pray its not in eternity when you finally see it.

amen brother

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

(unless you kept of the law entirely at every point, you are as guilty as any other law breaker)



1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


(this isnt just about laws given to moses.... this applies even to ALL sin...... which means)


Romans 3:20 - 25
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


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praise God.... freely justified by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ


without the deeds of the law
^_^

but
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what of the law then?

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romans 7


6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

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Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


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Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

annnnnd

Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe he is pointing out they have demonstrated Calvinist views. You know, if it is white and it comes in a bottle etc.

So should we call you a judiaser? An arminian? A pharisee? As you said, if it is white and comes in a bottle or as i like to say, if the shoe fits.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Everybody who believes in the 'P' in TULIP believes that a person MUST obey the commands of God or else they are not really born again.

calvanist do not even believe this, get a clue man, you do not even know the people your fighting with

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just that term alone, once saved always saved, is a very nasty way of saying thanks to our Savior.

He did not save me for me to continue in sin.....that is habitually. I am aware that my sinful ways ae being done away with by Christ fulfilling the law within me, but the osas folks call this being under the law.

If Jesus christ is fulfilling the laws in me, hwo can I be under the law, I have chosen to obey all He teaaches as best He gives me because I know He is truth..........not I, He. We are here asking all to hear Him, amen.

Once saved always saved does not teach you can conti ue in sin, another slanderer who does not understand the people he is against.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which again, is my point. Good works cannot be the "super sign" that one is saved simply because anyone can do them.

amen, anyone can act like a christian and do all kinds of works, works prove nothing.

Now the licentious people james and jude spoke of wih dead faith, thats different, it is easy to see a person who is a hearer only not a doer.

 

[jaybird88]

Who said anything about murdering people?

dont murder is a law, i am happy with laws such as this. and according to you, some people are offended by such laws.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...it may not be an easy thing to tell the difference

Well who made you or me the judge over telling the difference? That is strictly between God and each individual.

 

[Nehemiah6]

dont murder is a law, i am happy with laws such as this. and according to you, some people are offended by such laws.

Why wouldn't murders be offended by such a law? They know it entails the death penalty.

 

[posthuman]

You don't realize that not obeying the law through faith in Christ is what causes you to be cursed. Obeying the law does not do that. Obeying the law shows that you have the righteousness of God through faith in Christ.

the curse falls on whoever is under the Law and fails to keep it. that's what mount Ebal is all about, in Deuteronomy 11 -- and likewise those under the Law, if they could keep it, would be blessed under it: Mt. Gerizim. But Christ says, His true worshipers will worship neither on this mountain nor some other -- and He redeemed us from the curse - from every curse.

Ask yourself why you are only capable of understanding having to keep the law as trying to be justified by the law.

it's the "must" part. Salvation doesn't have anything to do with the Law, period.

now that iv'e said that, we'll go back into that cycle of discussion again, right? someone will say "well that means license to sin" -- or in other words, "why not continue in sin so grace will abound all the more?"

surely there is a reason to do what is right that is totally separated from "you must keep the law 'or else' ?"
because AFAIK it isn't "or else" or else grace isn't grace, and salvation isn't salvation, and redemption isn't redemption, and freedom isn't freedom, and 'not under the curse' isn't 'not under the curse' at all -- we're either all under threat of eternal hellfire because of works, or we're not at all. we either must do certain works ((in addition to believing on the Son)) or we don't 'absolutely have to' -- and if we must then it's by works. but it's not by works; it's by grace. if we must obey the Law we are under Law. if we're under grace - not under Law - then "must" is absolutely not an accurate description, IMO.



BTW

i didn't get any of this from Calvin. i'd literally never heard of "TULIP" before i came to CC, and i didn't know anything about Mssr. Calvin apart from that he was a famous reformer preacher who wrote a very large book called 'Institutes'
i just read the Bible, and worked it out myself ((or as i see it, was shown by the Spirit)). when i started reading people ripping on 'calvinism' here, it dawned on me that i actually agree with a lot of the things they're all up in arms about calling heresy. i learned, too, that it was 'arminianism' ((whatever that is)) which the church actually declared to be heresy. which i find kinda interesting

 

[posthuman]

Well who made you or me the judge over telling the difference? That is strictly between God and each individual.

amen

let the tares grow with the wheat, then, and when the time is right, the Lord will send His harvesters, who will discern weeds from crops

 

[eternally-gratefull]

dont murder is a law, i am happy with laws such as this. and according to you, some people are offended by such laws.

Yeah, They are.

The law. Thou shalt mot murder" will not stop people from committing murder It not only is a sin, but is a law in every country, some even have the death penalty. Yet people still murder. so much for laws causing sinners to stop sin.


you want to save a murderer, show him love, Better yet show him Gods love, you not only may win friend, you may win a brother in christ,

Judging them? Again, Jesus said he did not come to judge, what makes you better than Jesus?