Do you believe the gospel given to the apostle Paul by Christ ?

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BillG

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it was written to christians.

So we will note you have excluded yourself.

That is most likely why you are oblivious that in acts we see the gospel to the gentiles given to peter BEFORE PAUL.

But since you cut out entire books of the bible, it makes sense you do not know that.
His profile states not Christian
 

Nehemiah6

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You need to believe that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again 1 Corinthians 15: 3,4. Otherwise you are lost. No debating!
And is that not what I said? Who's debating? But you omitted Christ's resurrection, and without that there is no Gospel.
 
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Do you believe Christ died for our sins as the gospel of your salvation ?

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

For you to be saved you must believe this gospel alone for salvation.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The apostle Paul received this gospel from Christ

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

2Co_5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
That is the Gospel the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ for we must believe that God rose Him again to be saved and that He washed away our sins to be right with God.

Luk 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

We identify with the man Christ which He died, was buried, and rose again, and we repent, are water baptized, and receive the Holy Spirit.
 

Gardenias

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The gospel Paul was given by Christ.

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
This is the gospel you must believe to be saved.




There is no GOSPEL Paul!
It is the gospel of JESUS CHRIST.
Jesus ,not Paul is the one who paid our sin debt to God!
 

Hann57

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There is no GOSPEL Paul!
It is the gospel of JESUS CHRIST.
Jesus ,not Paul is the one who paid our sin debt to God!
There is no GOSPEL Paul!
It is the gospel of JESUS CHRIST.
Jesus ,not Paul is the one who paid our sin debt to God!
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The law, even of the Old Testament, is written on the heart and in the mind of the New Covenant believer (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
The law of Christ can be written on the heart of we hear and believe the gospel not moses law

Moses gave israel thier law to condemn and convict of sin.

We don’t want this on our heart

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that law is for these folk

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t be those folk we have to be born again by the gospel

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we aren’t beholden to Moses word

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s an accusation against any and all sinners and isn’t Christian doctrine

we don’t have Moses “ eye for an eye tooth for a tooth life for life sound for wound “ written on our heart we have what Jesus said in the gospel and we believe written on our heart “ do not repay evil with evil , forgive the sin against you be as your Heavenly Father “

it’s actually impossible to obey Moses word and Jesus word because they are contrary. The law of Moses was written on stone and ministered death to the hearers the gospel ministers life to the hearers. Two seperate laws one for sin and death another for a new birth and life with freedom from sin
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus gave us three very important commands to follow which absorbs the Mosiac law.
Love God with all you heart,mind and soul
Love your neighbor as yourself for these are they which hang ALL THE LAW and prophets.
Love one another for by thus shall they KNOW YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES!
I am not an Hebrew so the 600 or so laws given to the Jewish nation are not applicable to me.
I live under the new covenant given to ALL mankind by Jesus!

BTW those verse in Titus you seem to use frequently don't support your statement about the OT law!
The apostles gathered to decide if Moses law belongs in Christianity

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

thier conclusion

….Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

…Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-6, 19-20, 24-25, 28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Moses law isn’t for us what Christ said is for us it’s actually not possible to follow
Moses word and Christs word they are contrary at too Many points what Moses said is for unsoiritual sinners without a heart for repentance

the gospel is for the heart ready to repent and receive the holy soirit and be born again into a living hope not a law of condemnation

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t live under that law we live by the gospel apart from Moses law

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law of Moses is not Christian doctrine it is what convicts of sin and leaves the world needing salvation by Jesus and the gospel
 

Pilgrimshope

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#69
Jesus gave us three very important commands to follow which absorbs the Mosiac law.
Love God with all you heart,mind and soul
Love your neighbor as yourself for these are they which hang ALL THE LAW and prophets.
Love one another for by thus shall they KNOW YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES!
I am not an Hebrew so the 600 or so laws given to the Jewish nation are not applicable to me.
I live under the new covenant given to ALL mankind by Jesus!

BTW those verse in Titus you seem to use frequently don't support your statement about the OT law!
“I live under the new covenant given to ALL mankind by Jesus!”

amen me too !!! It’s far better I’m glad we aren’t here

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but here !!

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

John146

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He sounds " pauline only"

Those bible butchers rock along fairly well with their radical paul idolotry.

Then outta nowhere they start a gospel smear job, along with a peter and John smear Job.

But they dont stop there.

They also believe Jesus original mission failed and the cross was plan b
You are totally misunderstanding dispensation teaching. Your last statement is false. The cross was always the plan, but kept a mystery since the world began. Not until after the cross did the Lord reveal the meaning of His d,b,r for sins and how everlasting life was possible through belief.
 

phil36

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Can you post an example!

I was just reading through this thread.. And noticed you wanted an example Jesus teaching the good news:

and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”. Mark 1:15

The good news is Jesus, his life, death and resurrection. God reveals himself in His word and ultimately in and through Christ.

So the gospels are the good news. The rest of the NT fleshes this out in its application for believers. I love Paul's great skill in using the Old Testament to show how Christ fulfilled all things particularly the Abrahanic covenant, where salvation is by grace. Christ fulfils this and more.
 

Magenta

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Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Did Jesus preach the Gospel of Paul to Paul?

Gosh. No, of course not. Paul preaches the gospel of Christ. Period :)
 

Blik

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we are to be guided by the gospel not moses law it is contrary guidance for sinners

do we follow Moses ? Or Jesus
Jesus did not cancel any of the spirit of the law that Moses gave, only the freshly commands that he gave. When the command not to murder was given in stone, Christ explained that law making it the true law of the Lord, the spirit of the law given in our hearts. When Christ took away the command to physically cut flesh as a sign of circumcision, Christ did not take away the need for us to be circumcised, only the need to cut flesh.
 

Hann57

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And is that not what I said? Who's debating? But you omitted Christ's resurrection, and without that there is no Gospel.
Really. Can you read the text in
Did Jesus preach the Gospel of Paul to Paul?

Gosh. No, of course not. Paul preaches the gospel of Christ. Period :)
Paul received the gospel from Christ.
Did Jesus preach a different gospel than paul?
Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom.
Paul did not. Paul preached the gospel that he received from Christ, which was a mystery. It was hid until Christ revealed it to Paul.
 
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Salvation is not a prize, a reward, or a wage,

It is the gift of God
Jesus nor me or Paul where saying that!,,,But to count it as not obtained yet
It is also a curse from god because we had to fall in order to be forgiven.Nor is it sometime you can earn.However i marvel that you would disagree with Paul! the 14th apostle and Jesus the creator of all things! ,,eternally-gratefull your answer is from pride! Your right and yet still wrong because you motive is pride.:confused:
 

John146

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I was just reading through this thread.. And noticed you wanted an example Jesus teaching the good news:

and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”. Mark 1:15

The good news is Jesus, his life, death and resurrection. God reveals himself in His word and ultimately in and through Christ.

So the gospels are the good news. The rest of the NT fleshes this out in its application for believers. I love Paul's great skill in using the Old Testament to show how Christ fulfilled all things particularly the Abrahanic covenant, where salvation is by grace. Christ fulfils this and more.
That’s not preaching the death, burial and resurrection for sins. Can you post a passage where Christ or the disciples were specifically preaching the cross?
 

John146

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I was just reading through this thread.. And noticed you wanted an example Jesus teaching the good news:

and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”. Mark 1:15

The good news is Jesus, his life, death and resurrection. God reveals himself in His word and ultimately in and through Christ.

So the gospels are the good news. The rest of the NT fleshes this out in its application for believers. I love Paul's great skill in using the Old Testament to show how Christ fulfilled all things particularly the Abrahanic covenant, where salvation is by grace. Christ fulfils this and more.
The gospels reveal what Jesus accomplished, but the Lord used Paul to reveal the whys and wherefores.
 

Hann57

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Jesus nor me or Paul where saying that!,,,But to count it as not obtained yet
It is also a curse from god because we had to fall in order to be forgiven.Nor is it sometime you can earn.However i marvel that you would disagree with Paul! the 14th apostle and Jesus the creator of all things! ,,eternally-gratefull your answer is from pride! Your right and yet still wrong because you motive is pride.:confused:
Are you on medication ?