Do you believe you can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying etc) and still be saved?

[purgedconscience]

What verse said they went to hell.....it is obvious you guys are ignorant of the fact that God uses physical death as a form of punishment, but does not necessarily equate to spiritual death and being cast into the lake of fire......such as the fornicating brother who was a member of the Corinthian church......the truth is simple...you and your buddy believe a gospel which has no power to save and that is why you are blind to so much truth as it takes actually being born again to understand the word....as long as you trust into yourself, your works, your water and sinless perfectionism you both with remain blind as bats without echo location!

There's obviously some history and bad blood between some of you and I don't want to get caught up in all of that, but I do have a question for you. What is your understanding of I Corinthians chapter 11 verses 27 thru 34?

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Is this guiltiness, damnation, judgment or condemnation only in relation to physical death or some sleeping or does it go beyond this?

 

[dcontroversal]

Heartbreaking heresy. I pity you.

Amen to that....his quote is directly from the devil and the pits of hell.... the overriding characteristic of God is LOVE...well what do you expect from lost men who follow the devil and the doctrine of men who were blind idiots.....my bible teaches that God IS LOVE<---they have no clue...it is a BE VERB.........

Originally Posted by SeaBass

God is not a God of love.

 

[purgedconscience]

Amen to that....his quote is directly from the devil and the pits of hell.... the overriding characteristic of God is LOVE...well what do you expect from lost men who follow the devil and the doctrine of men who were blind idiots.....my bible teaches that God IS LOVE<---they have no clue...it is a BE VERB.........

Originally Posted by SeaBass

God is not a God of love.

In fairness to SeaBass, that's actually not what he said. His actual comment was parsed and the intent of it was thereby greatly altered.

 

[Preach2u]

I think it depends on how you define Salvation. When you accept Jesus as your savior you receive eternal life. Can ETERNAL LIFE be taken away? You cannot lose eternal life. Or else it's not eternal by definition, right? Some ppl say, "there is no truth". Stare at that sentence for a min and see if you get it. If this statement is true then it's not true, you get it? It's self refuting. Are we to believe this sentence is the only truth in the world? Ito logic. You cannot lose eternal life, now if someone is a brother and is erring from the truth, they will go to heaven but will suffer loss. Imo

 

[blue_ladybug]

I voted no, but that's based on the sin that is not being repented of being serious.

ALL SIN is serious. However, I agree with Ella. I don't think God would be so harsh as to send us to hell for unrepented sins. God looks at the condition of our hearts regarding sin.

​As to a statement Jason made about suicide, well, let me use the people of 911 as an example. Those trapped in the towers, some chose to jump to their deaths instead of being burned alive. Will God damn those people to hell? I believe he won't, because he knew their hearts at that time, and he knew that they had a desperate choice to make, and probably would never have considered suicide if the events that happened that day occured. JMO

 

[dcontroversal]

There's obviously some history and bad blood between some of you and I don't want to get caught up in all of that, but I do have a question for you. What is your understanding of I Corinthians chapter 11 verses 27 thru 34?

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Is this guiltiness, damnation, judgment or condemnation only in relation to physical death or some sleeping or does it go beyond this?

It is rather simple.....some of them had corrupted the Lord's supper and FELL ASLEEP (physically died) at the result of their sin....just like the fornicator was to be put out for the destruction of the FLESH that the spirit may be saved in the day of Jesus Christ....just like the two mentioned above that lied unto the HS dia Peter over the money and the land...just like the children of Israel who were dropped in the wilderness after having applied the blood (faith) and the picture of immersion (Red sea)....

God uses physical death as a form of punishment as well as sickness (bolded above)......the word damnation means to be judged and does not necessarily imply the act of being cast into hell or lake of fire....

And for the record....it is not necessarily bad blood, but rather I cannot stand heretical teachers that twist the truth into their own coined salvation lite message while trampling underfoot the sacrifice and acceptable work of Jesus Christ which brings ETERNAL salvation, redemption, justification, sealing and sanctification (positionally) to all who have been HID within Christ......

 

[purgedconscience]

I think it depends on how you define Salvation. When you accept Jesus as your savior you receive eternal life. Can ETERNAL LIFE be taken away? You cannot lose eternal life. Or else it's not eternal by definition, right? Some ppl say, "there is no truth". Stare at that sentence for a min and see if you get it. If this statement is true then it's not true, you get it? It's self refuting. Are we to believe this sentence is the only truth in the world? Ito logic. You cannot lose eternal life, now if someone is a brother and is erring from the truth, they will go to heaven but will suffer loss. Imo

I think that the problem is that I John chapter 5 verse 11 tells us that:

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Seeing how eternal life is in God's Son, Jesus Christ, what happens if one departs from Christ? Would they still have eternal life which is in Him? Do you see what I'm saying/asking?

That's a great sentence, by the way, that you shared.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Jason... you have bad theology and need to understand that you are more and more becoming a legalist, pelagian, moralist.

Im with ember.

we understand theres a need to repent Jason! but we also have a Saviour who ascribes all our sins and transgressions upon himself.
so in turn if there are sins in my life, don't you think God will make that aware to me through his spirit and also give me the power to repent....
and if I don't repent.. don't you think God will give me time and continue to convict me to a place of repentance...
and if I continue to reisist... don't you think that im showing fruits of a heart that's wicked and in turn reprobate.... therefore clearly outlining and revealing that IM NOT SAVED.

 

[Utah]

Seems some people believe God will make an appointment with us 15 mins before we die so that we can repent

Seems some people believe they know themselves better than God

Somebody needs to find a job and quit coming on here with nonsense.....

To whom it may concern:

Jason does not exemplify Christians beliefs. Please don't judge Christians by him or those who are attached to him like remoras on a shark

Don't bother trying to rebuke me if you are one of those remoras...I'm past it

Jason....whatever pit you dwell in is not where the rest of us live nor where God places us. Your crazy religious rantings have nothing to do with reality...other than your own

I have reached the point where I believe what you post is actually disgusting...like dirty underwear that has not been changed in years...it smells of death....God gives us new life through His Spirit. You don't represent anything but death

Ember, I'm officially proposing to you!

 

[purgedconscience]

It is rather simple.....some of them had corrupted the Lord's supper and FELL ASLEEP (physically died) at the result of their sin....just like the fornicator was to be put out for the destruction of the FLESH that the spirit may be saved in the day of Jesus Christ....just like the two mentioned above that lied unto the HS dia Peter over the money and the land...just like the children of Israel who were dropped in the wilderness after having applied the blood (faith) and the picture of immersion (Red sea)....

God uses physical death as a form of punishment as well as sickness (bolded above)......the word damnation means to be judged and does not necessarily imply the act of being cast into hell or lake of fire....

I was with you until you mentioned the children of Israel who died in the wilderness. After all, scripture does tell us that God swore in His wrath that they would not enter into His rest, so I can't imagine for the life of me that their judgment was only physical in nature.

 

[dcontroversal]

I think it depends on how you define Salvation. When you accept Jesus as your savior you receive eternal life. Can ETERNAL LIFE be taken away? You cannot lose eternal life. Or else it's not eternal by definition, right? Some ppl say, "there is no truth". Stare at that sentence for a min and see if you get it. If this statement is true then it's not true, you get it? It's self refuting. Are we to believe this sentence is the only truth in the world? Ito logic. You cannot lose eternal life, now if someone is a brother and is erring from the truth, they will go to heaven but will suffer loss. Imo

Amen to that and I agree...it is not your opinion, but rather truth......eternal means exactly that.........eternal and everlasting....their false gospel makes it temporary life and is straight from hell!

 

[Utah]

Amen to that....his quote is directly from the devil and the pits of hell.... the overriding characteristic of God is LOVE...well what do you expect from lost men who follow the devil and the doctrine of men who were blind idiots.....my bible teaches that God IS LOVE<---they have no clue...it is a BE VERB.........

Originally Posted by SeaBass

God is not a God of love.

I was told I took that post out of context. My reply is simple: this is what he stands for.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Ember, I'm officially proposing to you!

oohhhh.. Ember and Utah.. jk

 

[dcontroversal]

I was with you until you mentioned the children of Israel who died in the wilderness. After all, scripture does tell us that God swore in His wrath that they would not enter into His rest, so I can't imagine for the life of me that their judgment was only physical in nature.

The rest was physical in the Land of promise and a full study will reveal this.....was Moses saved? Did he get to go into the land of rest (promise)? Why was he not allowed to go in?.....because they were under the LAW and the generation that perished (physically) perished under a system that was without mercy by the mouth of two or three witnesses.....

Who was on the mount of transfiguration with JESUS?

Why was Moses killed and not allowed to enter the promise land?

Was he saved?

 

[dcontroversal]

Jason... you have bad theology and need to understand that you are more and more becoming a legalist, pelagian, moralist.

Im with ember.

we understand theres a need to repent Jason! but we also have a Saviour who ascribes all our sins and transgressions upon himself.
so in turn if there are sins in my life, don't you think God will make that aware to me through his spirit and also give me the power to repent....
and if I don't repent.. don't you think God will give me time and continue to convict me to a place of repentance...
and if I continue to reisist... don't you think that im showing fruits of a heart that's wicked and in turn reprobate.... therefore clearly outlining and revealing that IM NOT SAVED.

Amen to that.......

 

[nowyouseem033]

and plus when you repent Jason is it authentic repentance Jason or something you manufactured with your emotions. Sincere and genuine.... and if you doubted your repentance then repent again buddy...


. my assurance and security is not found in my repentance like yours is..
my assurance and security is found in Gods grace which enables me to be able to repent.

 

[ember]

Ember, I'm officially proposing to you!

I'll let my husband know......

I know you're just kidding...he often likes what I say too...until I turn my gaze to him hahahaha

 

[dcontroversal]

I was told I took that post out of context. My reply is simple: this is what he stands for.

It does not matter what context it was used in...it is a statement of fact and speaks volumes to his reasoning ability and lost state!

 

[purgedconscience]

Not that I'm SeaBass' apologist or anything, but here is what he actually said:

You only quoted PART of what I said.

My WHOLE quote:

The case of Ananias and Sapphire shows:
1) God is not a God of love and nothing more, but a God of justice and God will punish men.
2) God does not overlook or excuse sin.
3) grace does not automatically, unconditionally cover sin.

He didn't say that God is not a God of love, but instead that God is not a God of love and nothing more. The and nothing more denotes that He believes that God is a God of love and he was apparently stating that God is a God of justice too. Personally, I see no distinction between the two in that I believe that love and justice work together just fine, but we really shouldn't twist peoples' words and apply to them meanings which they never intended.

 

[purgedconscience]

It does not matter what context it was used in...it is a statement of fact and speaks volumes to his reasoning ability and lost state!

Actually, it matters greatly, especially in relation to those who profess to be Christians, and it wasn't a statement of fact. Slander doesn't come from God, so let's keep things honest.