Do you follow the Sabbath according to the rules of The Bible?

[A-Omega]

Reading the thread on how people keep Sabbath made me curious about whether people are going by Scriptural rules on Sabbath, their own or some combination.




By rule, no one should be cooking, shopping, sleeping, using any type of machinery, having causal conversations or doing anything pleasurable on Sabbath. And of course no one should say anything or think anything about themselves at all.



Biblical Sabbath

The purpose of us resting on the sabbath is so we can be mentally, spiritually, and physically refreshed.

Exodus 23:12, "Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed."​

• We are to do no ordinary/secular work on the sabbath (Exodus 20:10; 23:23; 31:14-15; 35:2, Leviticus 23:3, Deuteronomy 5:14, Jeremiah 17:24), nor carry a burden on the sabbath day (Jeremiah 17:21-24). We should not do unnecessary things on the sabbath, such as going on journeys, paying worldly visits, washing, working, etc., especially if it could be done on another day. It is a day not to be devoted to worldly business, conversation, reading, travelling, visiting, or amusement, nor to sleep, idleness, or worldly thoughts and feelings, but to be employed in worship, and in the promotion of our own spiritual good and that of our fellow-men.
• One shouldn't prepare an elaborate meal on the Sabbath day....but should try to either have meals ready (on the 6th day, the preparation day)...or at least fix very simple meals on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:23).
• We shouldn't buy or sell on the Sabbath day, not even food. God says this will “profane the sabbath day.” The gates to Jerusalem were shut as it began to get dark towards the sabbath, and were opened again after the sabbath was over. This was to keep the merchants and sellers from buying and selling on the Sabbath (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15-22).
• It's good to heal and do good to both people and animals on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10-13, Mark 3:1-5, and Luke 13:10-17, John 5:8-13).
• We should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, but comfort and exhort one another (Matthew 18:20, Hebrews 10:25), especially on the sabbath day (Leviticus 23:3). This also includes reading books and materials from those who write about God's Word, or listening to and watching others preach on pre-recorded devices (provided we do not watch or listen to the things of the world, such as being bombarded with commercials while listening to a sermon).
• And finally, we should not do our own pleasure on the Sabbath day (Isaiah 58:13-14).
  Isaiah 58:13, "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, so as not to do thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, holy to the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"​

Isaiah 58:13 says twice that we should not do our own pleasure on God's holy day. To take it for our pleasure is to rob Him of His own pleasure. This is the very way in which the Sabbath is mostly broken; it is made a day of carnal pleasure instead of spiritual "delight." Now, this "pleasure" does not refer to the pleasure of learning God's Word, or the pleasure of eating, or the pleasure of helping others, etc., it refers to the pleasures of the world, such as entertainment, traveling for our mere pleasure, doing our own ways. In other words, the sabbath is not made for our recreation! To keep the Sabbath in an idle manner is the sabbath of oxen and asses; to keep it in a jovial manner is the sabbath of the golden calf, when the people sat down to eat and drink, play and engage in physical pleasures; to keep it in overindulgence, excess, or to keep it unrestrained, arrogantly ignoring God's Will, is the sabbath of satan, the devil's holiday.
Isaiah 58:13 also says we are to avoid speaking certain words! We should not only avoid doing our own pleasure on the sabbath, but we should avoid speaking words concerning it. We should avoid speaking vain and profane words, and the words of the world. You should not talk about yourself or your past history, or your personal life, for this concerns "me, myself, and I," whereas we are to concern ourselves with God. God has appointed the Sabbath as a day of holy rest, not only from worldly labor, but also from worldly thoughts and conversation.
Isaiah 58:13 also says that we should call the Sabbath a delight....do we call the Sabbath a delight? When it gets toward the end of the week, are you anxious for the Sabbath to come? It should be our favorite day of the week because in our thoughts we can spend the whole day with Jesus. Now I realize that we should have Jesus in our thoughts Sunday through Friday, and I'm sure we do, but not like on the Sabbath. During the week we've got to think about what we're doing while working, and we try to keep a dialog going with God as we work....but on the Sabbath, we don't have to think about work at all.
Verse 14 continues by telling us what God will do for us if we honor his sabbath. It says we will delight ourselves in the Lord, God will cause us to ride upon the high places of the earth and will feed us with the heritage of Jacob. These are biblical sayings for the experience of feeling joy, and peace, and being filled with love for God and His Son.

 

[justamazed]

What pleasure do men partake of?

Ezekiel 18:23

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Romans 1:28-32

[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Men take pleasure in death. Cooking has nothing to do with it, nor does Saturday or Sunday. The Sabbath is an age, and we are to discern the times, in other words the world has enough to sustain 12 billion people as of today. The Sabbath is here.

 

[matt7777777]

The bible also says if your ox is in the pit are you not gonna get it out even on the sabbeth... at this day an age where some people have to work six or seven days a week just to make a living there are alot of oxs in the pit... if i work six days a week an on sunday the yard needs mowing am i to just let it become a jungle or go ahead an mow it.... the law is important but remeber we are not under the law but under grace..

 

[follower2]

forget the lawn bro XD

 

[RedTent]

I am reading a report of how Hasidic Jews live in Temple, NY. I am jealous. Part of the book is explaining why God has had them persecuted through the years, and in that long chapter there isn't any understanding of the reason why. Christians, with the HS and our knowledge of how we can grow past what they know, should have a better Sabbath, yet listen to this and compare it with yours:

Friday night is the highlight of the week, everything leads to that celebration over dinner. If they know of someone who hasn't anyone to celebrate it with, they are invited so usually there are several guests. Even the Friday morning grocery shopping is fun, for everyone is out that day and there are always people you know to visit with. Most men get off early from work, so they come home to help get everything ready. All the everyday household chores are done, even the coffee is in a huge urn, enough for Saturday, too.

Before sundown on Friday night the table is set with the best they have, everyone is dressed in their best. The oldest woman is called on to light the Sabbath candles, one for the blessing God gave the Sabbath and one to ask God to bless the family. Worship of God is incorporated with every part of the meal, but it is usually with certain set prayers rather than the prayers we do. The woman who was visiting and reporting said that there was every indication that these prayers were not simply recited, they were felt. They were like being led in worship. Everyone went to wash their hands before they ate, and again, worship was included in the ritual of hand washing. Dinner lasted a long time, with much prayer, visiting and singing. The singing was loud and heart felt, with some of the men closing their eyes to concentrate better on the words. Part of the ritual is a thank you to the women for their part in the family life.

Food next day has been put out for people to come serve themselves as they are hungry. There is much visiting, talking, and laughing together as they seem to simply relax in the Lord.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

I am bewildered with this one commandment that is a gnat in comparison to the camel. In the Law of Moses 2715 laws and 113,000 in the Old Testament so to pick one the Sabbath? wow ?? how are you going to navigate through these insurmountable impossibilities by your choosing?, Now in the New Testament we have 1050 of which John tells us Jesus the Christ speaks to us to keep (Rev. 22:14) in the prophecy of the Book of Revelation of Jesus which are the commandments from Jesus to us from and by the remembrance of the Apostles in what they wrote from the Holy Spirit. The only way to live is to live by confidence that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are faithful to perfect Jesus Christ in us. So, it is His work individually in us not for someone else to judge or inspect these lesser laws comparative to the greatest Law of; grace, Agape, fruits of the Holy Spirit etc. which are the Laws that are not really laws but of His personality and character in us to add to each ones faith in these and not hinder by the lesser of day rest worship? The greatest is The development and growth of the perfection of Jesus formed completely in us. What do we do the Ministers of the New Testament break the Sabbath by laboring on it, they do much in labor not only the pastor but everyone else, singers, teachers, evangelist, musicians etc. so they lost their anointing and relationship with Jesus for doing so and really do not feed us the Lord Jesus so does Jesus ignore them because they supposedly break the Sabbath?! What about focusing on the New Testament laws that develop directly the character and essence of Jesus His personality His character, Are the Fruits of the Holy Spirit less that the Sabbath no the Sabbath, if, you choose so is to increase in the Fruits of the Holy Spirit; Agape, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, meekness, temperance, and faith against such their are No Laws because they do not come from the Law they come from the intimate personality and character of the Lovely Savior our Savior our Holy Lover of our soul not a LAWYER LAW GIVER. His person and personality are greater than all the law they are not interposed. The law was to help us see the immensity of our fall. Gnat straining, OOO please Lord Help us eat and consume in the inward places of our hearts and souls and spirit your: life, light and love where their are no laws and limitations.

 

[RedTent]

I am bewildered with this one commandment that is a gnat in comparison to the camel. In the Law of Moses 2715 laws and 113,000 in the Old Testament so to pick one the Sabbath? wow ?? how are you going to navigate through these insurmountable impossibilities by your choosing?, Now in the New Testament we have 1050 of which John tells us Jesus the Christ speaks to us to keep (Rev. 22:14) in the prophecy of the Book of Revelation of Jesus which are the commandments from Jesus to us from and by the remembrance of the Apostles in what they wrote from the Holy Spirit. The only way to live is to live by confidence that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are faithful to perfect Jesus Christ in us. So, it is His work individually in us not for someone else to judge or inspect these lesser laws comparative to the greatest Law of; grace, Agape, fruits of the Holy Spirit etc. which are the Laws that are not really laws but of His personality and character in us to add to each ones faith in these and not hinder by the lesser of day rest worship? The greatest is The development and growth of the perfection of Jesus formed completely in us. What do we do the Ministers of the New Testament break the Sabbath by laboring on it, they do much in labor not only the pastor but everyone else, singers, teachers, evangelist, musicians etc. so they lost their anointing and relationship with Jesus for doing so and really do not feed us the Lord Jesus so does Jesus ignore them because they supposedly break the Sabbath?! What about focusing on the New Testament laws that develop directly the character and essence of Jesus His personality His character, Are the Fruits of the Holy Spirit less that the Sabbath no the Sabbath, if, you choose so is to increase in the Fruits of the Holy Spirit; Agape, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, meekness, temperance, and faith against such their are No Laws because they do not come from the Law they come from the intimate personality and character of the Lovely Savior our Savior our Holy Lover of our soul not a LAWYER LAW GIVER. His person and personality are greater than all the law they are not interposed. The law was to help us see the immensity of our fall. Gnat straining, OOO please Lord Help us eat and consume in the inward places of our hearts and souls and spirit your: life, light and love where their are no laws and limitations.

This all seems to me to be much ado about nothing. Of course, we have the HS, and it helps us understand. Part of the understanding is of the law. We understand Christ, and how He gives us life. We understand that the law is love, and that part of law is supreme, over all. We are to know that we have Christ and forgiveness through Him, so the law does not kill as it would without Christ. We have grace through Christ. We also have God's love, expressed in the law.

That has nothing at all to do with that God said to divide our time into seven day segments, and he would bless the seventh day. He said to remember how He worked and then rested, and we were to do the same. This is included, not eliminated.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

This all seems to me to be much ado about nothing. Of course, we have the HS, and it helps us understand. Part of the understanding is of the law. We understand Christ, and how He gives us life. We understand that the law is love, and that part of law is supreme, over all. We are to know that we have Christ and forgiveness through Him, so the law does not kill as it would without Christ. We have grace through Christ. We also have God's love, expressed in the law.

That has nothing at all to do with that God said to divide our time into seven day segments, and he would bless the seventh day. He said to remember how He worked and then rested, and we were to do the same. This is included, not eliminated.

This all seems to me to be much ado about nothing? My hearts desire is about nothing? I desire that I am every single second abiding in Him I do not understand how that my pursuit is much ado about nothingYou understand that it is but I do not.

 

[Georgiana]

I am reading a report of how Hasidic Jews live in Temple, NY. I am jealous. Part of the book is explaining why God has had them persecuted through the years, and in that long chapter there isn't any understanding of the reason why. Christians, with the HS and our knowledge of how we can grow past what they know, should have a better Sabbath, yet listen to this and compare it with yours:

Friday night is the highlight of the week, everything leads to that celebration over dinner. If they know of someone who hasn't anyone to celebrate it with, they are invited so usually there are several guests. Even the Friday morning grocery shopping is fun, for everyone is out that day and there are always people you know to visit with. Most men get off early from work, so they come home to help get everything ready. All the everyday household chores are done, even the coffee is in a huge urn, enough for Saturday, too.

Before sundown on Friday night the table is set with the best they have, everyone is dressed in their best. The oldest woman is called on to light the Sabbath candles, one for the blessing God gave the Sabbath and one to ask God to bless the family. Worship of God is incorporated with every part of the meal, but it is usually with certain set prayers rather than the prayers we do. The woman who was visiting and reporting said that there was every indication that these prayers were not simply recited, they were felt. They were like being led in worship. Everyone went to wash their hands before they ate, and again, worship was included in the ritual of hand washing. Dinner lasted a long time, with much prayer, visiting and singing. The singing was loud and heart felt, with some of the men closing their eyes to concentrate better on the words. Part of the ritual is a thank you to the women for their part in the family life.

Food next day has been put out for people to come serve themselves as they are hungry. There is much visiting, talking, and laughing together as they seem to simply relax in the Lord.

It's like celebrating a holiday every week, a holiday set aside for us by God. That's how I see sabbath. It's a holiday that says, the creator, who created heaven and earth in six days and rested on the seventh, is my God. I celebrate this day because He gave it to me, He hollowed it Himself in the Holy Scriptures for His people to always keep.

 

[Georgiana]

This all seems to me to be much ado about nothing? My hearts desire is about nothing? I desire that I am every single second abiding in Him I do not understand how that my pursuit is much ado about nothingYou understand that it is but I do not.

Christ said if you love Me, keep My commandments. So if you love Him that much, why fight so hard against keeping His commandments? It's like the thread on this chat where people fight to their last breath against getting baptized. I just plain don't get it. Why can't we just do what He asked if we love Him all that much. Because we'd actually have to sacrifice something? Give something up? Face possible ridicule from others? Truth is, we're not willing to give a day to God. We don't believe Him enough to trust He'll take care of us if we keep His commandments. That's a very cheap kind of love. "I love you God as long as I have to give nothing."

"Those that love Me do what I say."

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

This all seems to me to be much ado about nothing. Of course, we have the HS, and it helps us understand. Part of the understanding is of the law. We understand Christ, and how He gives us life. We understand that the law is love, and that part of law is supreme, over all. We are to know that we have Christ and forgiveness through Him, so the law does not kill as it would without Christ. We have grace through Christ. We also have God's love, expressed in the law.

That has nothing at all to do with that God said to divide our time into seven day segments, and he would bless the seventh day. He said to remember how He worked and then rested, and we were to do the same. This is included, not eliminated.

That has nothing at all to do with that God said to divide our time into seven day segments, and he would bless the seventh day. He said to remember how He worked and then rested, and we were to do the same. This is included, not eliminated.[/QUOTE] For me it does but not for you.
This all seems to me to be much ado about nothing? My hearts desire is about nothing? I do not and have not an experience that the Holy Spirit is an it, I desire that I am every single second abiding in Him I do not understand how that my pursuit is much ado about nothing? You understand that it is but I do not. In no way did I understand "The LAW " as I or after I experienced the Holy precious Spirit who birth me into Jesus my sorrow is that you have preconceived ideas about me. It is your preconceived idea that I eliminated some of the Law of the 115715 commands of the old no, I view my personal relationship as I experience Him as my perfect all entailed fulfillment, embodied in Him not the Law I have not experienced the Law Just the Perfect Holy One. The 1050 of the commands of Jesus is enough for me to pursuit desire pray travail deny my self take up my cross and follow Him. If this is much ado about nothing I am not in agreement and am not attached directly to you with in the body of Jesus Christ our Lord. My experience of a birth a new birth from above you or the Law was not present and I can not be influenced by it or what much ado about nothing you are referring to.
Dear brother Red Tent one day I wish and desire to meet you and to ask that which I received from Him that I may share and give to you. God bless you in omnipotent Agape forever.

 

[RedTent]

This all seems to me to be much ado about nothing? My hearts desire is about nothing? I desire that I am every single second abiding in Him I do not understand how that my pursuit is much ado about nothingYou understand that it is but I do not.

You are right to call me on this! It is putting down the whole of worship of God! My point was that your worship, right and wonderful as it is, does not say that is it is right to not honor the Sabbath. To call your worship ado about nothing is certainly a wrong way to say this. I am truly sorry.

 

[Georgiana]

You are right to call me on this! It is putting down the whole of worship of God! My point was that your worship, right and wonderful as it is, does not say that is it is right to not honor the Sabbath. To call your worship ado about nothing is certainly a wrong way to say this. I am truly sorry.

What a gracious way to explain your position. I'm impressed RedTent.

 

[Walks_With_God]

I try to follow the Sabbath according to the Bible to the best of my ability

Am I allowed to post a YouTube video of a sermon on this subject? ​

Even though I'm still 17 years old a few weeks ago I spoke a sermon about Colossians 2:14-17 about how the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and we're not to judge others regarding Sabbath days.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Also Romans 14:5 about regarding a certain day to the Lord or not.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I don't see anywhere in this verse the word "Sabbath" used or in all the book of Romans for that matter. Many people use this verse to show the Sabbath is of little or no importance to a Christian. Before accepting either conclusion I would encourage everyone to study the Bible to see what it really says.

There's seems to be a lot of confusion on these subjects. But nevertheless the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth if we allow ourselves to be led.

[video=youtube;Df19f91cn7E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df19f91cn7E[/video]​

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Reading the thread on how people keep Sabbath made me curious about whether people are going by Scriptural rules on Sabbath, their own or some combination.




By rule, no one should be cooking, shopping, sleeping, using any type of machinery, having causal conversations or doing anything pleasurable on Sabbath. And of course no one should say anything or think anything about themselves at all.



Biblical Sabbath

The purpose of us resting on the sabbath is so we can be mentally, spiritually, and physically refreshed.

Exodus 23:12, "Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed."​

• We are to do no ordinary/secular work on the sabbath (Exodus 20:10; 23:23; 31:14-15; 35:2, Leviticus 23:3, Deuteronomy 5:14, Jeremiah 17:24), nor carry a burden on the sabbath day (Jeremiah 17:21-24). We should not do unnecessary things on the sabbath, such as going on journeys, paying worldly visits, washing, working, etc., especially if it could be done on another day. It is a day not to be devoted to worldly business, conversation, reading, travelling, visiting, or amusement, nor to sleep, idleness, or worldly thoughts and feelings, but to be employed in worship, and in the promotion of our own spiritual good and that of our fellow-men.
• One shouldn't prepare an elaborate meal on the Sabbath day....but should try to either have meals ready (on the 6th day, the preparation day)...or at least fix very simple meals on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:23).
• We shouldn't buy or sell on the Sabbath day, not even food. God says this will “profane the sabbath day.” The gates to Jerusalem were shut as it began to get dark towards the sabbath, and were opened again after the sabbath was over. This was to keep the merchants and sellers from buying and selling on the Sabbath (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15-22).
• It's good to heal and do good to both people and animals on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10-13, Mark 3:1-5, and Luke 13:10-17, John 5:8-13).
• We should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together, but comfort and exhort one another (Matthew 18:20, Hebrews 10:25), especially on the sabbath day (Leviticus 23:3). This also includes reading books and materials from those who write about God's Word, or listening to and watching others preach on pre-recorded devices (provided we do not watch or listen to the things of the world, such as being bombarded with commercials while listening to a sermon).
• And finally, we should not do our own pleasure on the Sabbath day (Isaiah 58:13-14).
  Isaiah 58:13, "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, so as not to do thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, holy to the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:"​

Isaiah 58:13 says twice that we should not do our own pleasure on God's holy day. To take it for our pleasure is to rob Him of His own pleasure. This is the very way in which the Sabbath is mostly broken; it is made a day of carnal pleasure instead of spiritual "delight." Now, this "pleasure" does not refer to the pleasure of learning God's Word, or the pleasure of eating, or the pleasure of helping others, etc., it refers to the pleasures of the world, such as entertainment, traveling for our mere pleasure, doing our own ways. In other words, the sabbath is not made for our recreation! To keep the Sabbath in an idle manner is the sabbath of oxen and asses; to keep it in a jovial manner is the sabbath of the golden calf, when the people sat down to eat and drink, play and engage in physical pleasures; to keep it in overindulgence, excess, or to keep it unrestrained, arrogantly ignoring God's Will, is the sabbath of satan, the devil's holiday.
Isaiah 58:13 also says we are to avoid speaking certain words! We should not only avoid doing our own pleasure on the sabbath, but we should avoid speaking words concerning it. We should avoid speaking vain and profane words, and the words of the world. You should not talk about yourself or your past history, or your personal life, for this concerns "me, myself, and I," whereas we are to concern ourselves with God. God has appointed the Sabbath as a day of holy rest, not only from worldly labor, but also from worldly thoughts and conversation.
Isaiah 58:13 also says that we should call the Sabbath a delight....do we call the Sabbath a delight? When it gets toward the end of the week, are you anxious for the Sabbath to come? It should be our favorite day of the week because in our thoughts we can spend the whole day with Jesus. Now I realize that we should have Jesus in our thoughts Sunday through Friday, and I'm sure we do, but not like on the Sabbath. During the week we've got to think about what we're doing while working, and we try to keep a dialog going with God as we work....but on the Sabbath, we don't have to think about work at all.
Verse 14 continues by telling us what God will do for us if we honor his sabbath. It says we will delight ourselves in the Lord, God will cause us to ride upon the high places of the earth and will feed us with the heritage of Jacob. These are biblical sayings for the experience of feeling joy, and peace, and being filled with love for God and His Son.

I know you probably do not realize it, but you have presented what are actually some of the best arguments for why we must keep that Sabbath everyday, resting in Christ.

Will you be willing to see that all of those things commanded to be done on the Sabbath are the very same things required of us anytime we enter into God's temple?

Back then, under that Old law Covenant, how often did anyone enter that earthly temple? That Sabbath back then is not only a memorial. It is a memory that we are to keep that God worked six days and then rested. Why?

Because it lead us through six days of work in the flesh by the carnal mind and culminated to the Lord of the Sabbath where once in his rest, we no longer go back out.

That is six days in this fleshly woman's womb being nurtured by a water of the word of God (That Old Covenant law) written in the carnal letter to carnal flesh: Galatians 4:21 "Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children."

But as Paul said, 1 Corinthians 15:7 "After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

Galatians 1:13 "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus."


Brothers, please: Galatians 4:19 "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you."

Galatians 4:26 "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free."

The Old Law Sabbaths pictured God's plan to allow those Jews and all among them six days in the flesh to prove the uselessness of their work in the fleshly womb of a fleshly Jerusalem with a temple that they only entered once in a while, and thus teach them that they needed God's grace and mercy in Christ to share of those promises by spirit.

Those Levite priests that lived in the temple, as also those dedicated to temple service in that temple, picture those elect of Christ who would receive the right of the promises under that Old Law as a grace from God by extension of Christ's right to those promises and become part of the spiritual temple Hebrews 12:18-24 and Ephesians 2:15-22 speaks concerning.

The elect of Christ no longer ever leave that spiritual temple and they are under constant obligation to keep that temple clean: Matthew 21:12 "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

Ponder this, please. Those six days of work in the flesh pictured: Galatians 3:24-25 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

We disobey those things by not understanding them. It is too easy to only think we understand that they must be kept to a rote letter. That is the fleshly view.

 

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[Vestarena]

Re: I try to follow the Sabbath according to the Bible to the best of my ability

Am I allowed to post a YouTube video of a sermon on this subject? ​

Even though I'm still 17 years old a few weeks ago I spoke a sermon about Colossians 2:14-17 about how the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and we're not to judge others regarding Sabbath days.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Also Romans 14:5 about regarding a certain day to the Lord or not.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I don't see anywhere in this verse the word "Sabbath" used or in all the book of Romans for that matter. Many people use this verse to show the Sabbath is of little or no importance to a Christian. Before accepting either conclusion I would encourage everyone to study the Bible to see what it really says.

There's seems to be a lot of confusion on these subjects. But nevertheless the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth if we allow ourselves to be led.

[video=youtube;Df19f91cn7E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df19f91cn7E[/video]​

Those verses are talking about the ordinances that involved sacrificing animals for sins. Those ordinances or laws were fulfilled by Christ, the perfect lamb who died for our sins. Obviously we still are not to murder, commit adultery, worship idols, etc. It's only the sabbath law that is ignored. That was officially changed by Constantine. The Protestant church, when it broke off from the Catholic church, continued in that vein. No where in the New Testament is it said that the sabbath law was fulfilled and no longer to be kept. If a law of God was to be changed, it would have clearly said so. But we ignore that, because it's too inconvenient for us to keep that law. So we fight the idea of keeping it too death. We find all sorts of vague references to the sabbath that we can twist in our favor to support our position. When it says don't judge people in regard to sabbath, it's saying don't judge others concerning how they keep the sabbath. In other words, if they think walking to church is not work, then don't be picking on them. You'll remember that the Pharisees created all sorts of rules about that that didn't come from scriptures. That's what was being addressed in Colossians, not throwing out the sabbath law entirely.

 

[Vestarena]

Re: I try to follow the Sabbath according to the Bible to the best of my ability

Those verses are talking about the ordinances that involved sacrificing animals for sins. Those ordinances or laws were fulfilled by Christ, the perfect lamb who died for our sins. Obviously we still are not to murder, commit adultery, worship idols, etc. It's only the sabbath law that is ignored. That was officially changed by Constantine. The Protestant church, when it broke off from the Catholic church, continued in that vein. No where in the New Testament is it said that the sabbath law was fulfilled and no longer to be kept. If a law of God was to be changed, it would have clearly said so. But we ignore that, because it's too inconvenient for us to keep that law. So we fight the idea of keeping it too death. We find all sorts of vague references to the sabbath that we can twist in our favor to support our position. When it says don't judge people in regard to sabbath, it's saying don't judge others concerning how they keep the sabbath. In other words, if they think walking to church is not work, then don't be picking on them. You'll remember that the Pharisees created all sorts of rules about that that didn't come from scriptures. That's what was being addressed in Colossians, not throwing out the sabbath law entirely.

The truth of the matter is, Jesus said to keep the Laws, that they would never pass away, not one jot or tittle. The only ones that were fulfilled were the sacrificial laws which were fulfilled by Christ. So no matter what Paul might have said, Christ's words are first, last, and in between. If something Paul said (in our interpretation) seems to contradict Christ's words, well then it's Christ's words we go with.

 

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When time will be no more...will there be a Saturday Sabbath? Christ is our rest.

When there is no more sun or moon...will there be a Saturday Sabbath? Christ is our rest.

What good is it to observe the first creation's sabbath when we ignore the eternal (2nd Creation) Sabbath...Christ is our rest.

What good is it to rest on Saturday when we are flustered Sunday thru Friday?... Christ is our rest.

The Sabbath as the other 10 are a reflection of God's nature ; God rested as it is His nature. He has given us as a temporary gift, a rest one day in six; and as an eternal gift our rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Re: I try to follow the Sabbath according to the Bible to the best of my ability

The truth of the matter is, Jesus said to keep the Laws, that they would never pass away, not one jot or tittle. The only ones that were fulfilled were the sacrificial laws which were fulfilled by Christ. So no matter what Paul might have said, Christ's words are first, last, and in between. If something Paul said (in our interpretation) seems to contradict Christ's words, well then it's Christ's words we go with.

Is that what Jesus said?

So you are saying that Jesus said to keep those laws exactly as they are by letter?

We know that certainly Jesus believed one ought not to add to or take away from God's Law.

Yet we see Jesus said: Matthew 5:21 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Matthew 5:27 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Matthew 5:31 "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Matthew 5:33 "Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne

Matthew 5:38 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Matthew 5:43 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.."

And now as I said, We know that certainly Jesus believed one ought not to add to or take away from God's Law.

So then, what was Jesus telling us but that we do not hear what that Law really said!!!

Take a hint from Jesus!!! Please!!!

Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

And that is not one day a week for us if we are really in Christ as God's temple.

Get a clue.

What Jesus really said was, Matthew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

And you cannot keep what you do not hear.

Listen to Jesus and let your ears be unstopped and your eyes be opened.