Do You Hate Trump so Much You're Willing to let Biden/Harris Destroy America?

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Everlasting-Grace

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Trump's dad was in the KKK, but I don't think that automatically makes Trump one of them.
Last I heard trump does not follow his father in this area.. he is not racist..



Like what?
Your joking right?

Have you listened her. or do you just listen to the cut apart things the media allows you to hear?
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Some did, some didn't. And again, there's no need for name calling please.
Calling someone out as a hypocrite is not "name calling".



Can I take it then that you either don't really know how Harris is a Marxist/communist, or you can't say how?

You have a great day too!
Socialism is just communism with the gloves off. I find it hard that you don't see anything Biden/ Harris have done that doesn't lean at the very least, socialist. You're saying you believe they are both died in the wool capitalists?


https://nypost.com/2024/08/16/opinion/kamala-harris-cant-even-fathom-basic-economics/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/08/15/kamala-harris-price-gouging-groceries/

https://www.westernjournal.com/hs-s...oint-critical-error-central-campaign-promise/
 

Nehemiah6

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Can I take it then that you either don't really know how Harris is a Marxist/communist, or you can't say how?
And you don't know this??? What is Marxist/Communism?

1. It is godless. Kamala's highest priority is the promotion of abortion -- the killing of innocent babies. That is what Moloch worshipers have done in the past, and what the Demoncrats want to perpetuate, and fund.

2. It promotes constant conflict within a society. Harris has fully supported the evil pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas protestors who are attacking and threatening Jews. As well as making half the population of America into Nazis and terrorists, and locking up pro-lifers . DEI is another way to create conflict, by making Black Racism a part of the government agenda. Supporting and funding transgenderism is yet another way. Getting all Leftist females to become university and college presidents (without any real qualifications) is another way. Searching for "extremists" within the armed forces is yet another way. The millions of illegals are there to change the demographics, so that white Americans become a minority.

3. It establishes a totalitarian and lawless regime. Weaponizing the justice system against Trump and many Christians and conservatives, while bringing 11- 20 million foreign invaders into the country proves that this Communist regime cares nothing about the Constitution, the rule of law. and lawful American citizens who are tax payers. And Harris is 100% for this. This "border czar" Kamala opened the border wide to foreign invaders, criminals, and terrorists. She treated them like royalty so that the Democrats would always stay in power.

4. It either imprisons or kills its opponents. Hundreds of innocent patriots were locked up in the DC Gulag for J6 under intolerable conditions, and given lengthy prison sentences only because they rejected the government's narrative and stood for freedom. Harris as VP was 100% behind this. The attempted assassination of Trump and Scalise, and the threatened assassination of conservative Supreme Court justices is evidence. It's a wonder Clarence Thomas is still alive.

5. It replaces the will of the people with the diktats of the State. Joe Biden did not receive a mandate (even from his so-called supporters) to systematically destroy America. But he did this via executive orders and Deep State bureaucrats. Free speech has been censored, vital industries have been shut down, hundreds of businesses are closing their doors because of inflation and increased crime, inflation has gone through the roof so that people cannot even buy necessities like food. Vital oil reserves were shipped out of the country to ensure that America becomes unstable.

6. It uses tax dollars to create chaos. Hundreds of billions of dollars have gone towards the proxy war with Ukraine. as well as to Iran to wage proxy wars against Israel. This has created wars, human suffering, loss of revenues. and much more. Red Sea shipping has been completely destroyed. The Nord Stream pipeline was sabotaged, towns and cities in both Ukraine and Russia have been devastated, so that America will maintain its hegemony. This is all about power, nothing else.

7. Elections are not allowed to be free and fair. This is the only way that the extreme Leftists remain in power forever. The 2020 election was fraudulently stolen, and now it's the turn for the 2024 election. Everything that can contribute to election fraud is already in place, along with hundreds of thousands (or more) of illegal voters with bogus IDS all for the Democrats. This is nothing but the Bolshevik Revolution in another guise. And Harris is a part of this. Lenin claimed he was doing everything for Russia and it was all a lie. Harris is conning low information voters, as well as the idiots who supported Biden. with false promises just to gain power.
 

Nehemiah6

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I did not even mention this but Trump hit the nail on the head:
VIDEO: Kamala’s Communist Price Fixing Would Deal the Death Blow to America’s Economy — Trump Responds
VIDEO: Kamala’s Communist Price Fixing Would Deal the Death Blow to America’s Economy — Trump Responds (infowars.com)

"Commila' Harris wants to make goods so cheap they can't be sold at a profit, making them unattainable, like in communist countries." The free market economy is based upon free enterprise (for profit) and capitalism (also based upon the profit motive). There is nothing evil about a reasonable profit, and America has always had a free enterprise economy. But first the Communists destroy the economy, then replace it with state controls.

Also her fake proposal for "first time homeowners" will only apply to illegals! If someone's parents owned a home (as lawful citizens have done in the past) you do not qualify. She has not come right out and said this is all about the illegals, but deception is her specialty. If they were given free accommodations in luxury hotels, then why not?
 

ZNP

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I did not even mention this but Trump hit the nail on the head:
VIDEO: Kamala’s Communist Price Fixing Would Deal the Death Blow to America’s Economy — Trump Responds
VIDEO: Kamala’s Communist Price Fixing Would Deal the Death Blow to America’s Economy — Trump Responds (infowars.com)

"Commila' Harris wants to make goods so cheap they can't be sold at a profit, making them unattainable, like in communist countries." The free market economy is based upon free enterprise (for profit) and capitalism (also based upon the profit motive). There is nothing evil about a reasonable profit, and America has always had a free enterprise economy. But first the Communists destroy the economy, then replace it with state controls.

Also her fake proposal for "first time homeowners" will only apply to illegals! If someone's parents owned a home (as lawful citizens have done in the past) you do not qualify. She has not come right out and said this is all about the illegals, but deception is her specialty. If they were given free accommodations in luxury hotels, then why not?
Who could be stupid enough to fall for that plan? Surely Americans are not so stupid that they want to blame inflation on "price fixing"?
 

PennEd

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Calling someone out as a hypocrite is not "name calling".





Socialism is just communism with the gloves off. I find it hard that you don't see anything Biden/ Harris have done that doesn't lean at the very least, socialist. You're saying you believe they are both died in the wool capitalists?


https://nypost.com/2024/08/16/opinion/kamala-harris-cant-even-fathom-basic-economics/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/08/15/kamala-harris-price-gouging-groceries/

https://www.westernjournal.com/hs-s...oint-critical-error-central-campaign-promise/
Funny how multiple guys like our Jaybird here happen to be joining, and immediately jump into the contentious political debate.

Here is his opening introduction post, where he laments that divisive politics destroyed his beloved Church, and that “it didn’t have to be that way”.

So what does he do? He comes here and immediately starts where he left off destroying his Church.

JAYBIRD:
“Then, to be blunt, the Trump/MAGA era came to our doors and everything changed. Starting in about 2016 the church became increasingly politically-focused, which started to cause divisions in the congregation. Sure, we all already knew each others' political views, but they took a distant back seat to what really mattered...our faith in Christ, our love of the Lord, scripture, and ministry. But that gradually changed until eventually people who were previously very good friends started to turn on each other, call names, and make outrageous accusations.

As you can probably guess, over time people started leaving the church until last year when the few who remained voted to just close it down. We were bleeding money and the people who were left weren't able to keep the place running and functional, so we really had no choice.

It broke my heart then and it still hurts now, mostly because from my POV it was all so unnecessary.

So you'll probably see me spend most of my time here discussing politics, but not necessarily to debate and instead to hopefully find some common ground, better understand those who have different views, and generally get along.”
 

ZNP

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Funny how multiple guys like our Jaybird here happen to be joining, and immediately jump into the contentious political debate.

Here is his opening introduction post, where he laments that divisive politics destroyed his beloved Church, and that “it didn’t have to be that way”.

So what does he do? He comes here and immediately starts where he left off destroying his Church.

JAYBIRD:
“Then, to be blunt, the Trump/MAGA era came to our doors and everything changed. Starting in about 2016 the church became increasingly politically-focused, which started to cause divisions in the congregation. Sure, we all already knew each others' political views, but they took a distant back seat to what really mattered...our faith in Christ, our love of the Lord, scripture, and ministry. But that gradually changed until eventually people who were previously very good friends started to turn on each other, call names, and make outrageous accusations.

As you can probably guess, over time people started leaving the church until last year when the few who remained voted to just close it down. We were bleeding money and the people who were left weren't able to keep the place running and functional, so we really had no choice.

It broke my heart then and it still hurts now, mostly because from my POV it was all so unnecessary.

So you'll probably see me spend most of my time here discussing politics, but not necessarily to debate and instead to hopefully find some common ground, better understand those who have different views, and generally get along.”
Wow! Fascinating testimony. In my experience the crazier the world gets the more relevant and comforting the prophets are. I wonder in your experience as the problems in the church boiled over did the Pastor turn to the Prophets to help explain what was going on? Or were the prophecies relevant to today not spoken?

I hear some talking about how it is unnerving and scary to talk about God's judgement, but the way I see it the more we see these prophecies being fulfilled the stronger our faith that the Lord is in charge and saw all this coming several thousand years ago and therefore we should trust His plan of salvation.

As for "jaybird" the name reminds me of King Saul prophecying and then stripping naked -- as in "naked as a jaybird". Also because Saul was a type of the Antichrist and the Antichrist spirit was depicted by the raven that Noah released and jaybirds are part of the raven family. So if Saul wanted to come onto a platform like this and speak the Lord's word he too would be "naked as a jaybird"
 

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lol. It took me a minute to get off the floor I was laughing so hard. I see you have bought the liberal lie.

I will be 60 years old next year. the economy is the worst than I have ever seen it..
3 years ago. I paid 4 dollars at fast food. now I pay at least 11 dollars depending on where I go

I talk to people. they have almost 3000 dollars a month house payment and 2000 dollars a month car payment,, How are they supposed to buy food and other things on top of this? It reminds me of when I lived in massachusettes. where the liberal economy has flourished for awhile now. I was there in the early 2000's The husband usually worked two jobs, and worked 1. and the kids were forced into all kinds of activities so they did not have to pay child care (they would actually call me and my wife to make an appointment for our kids to play) California has been like this also. But it was stuck in the blue states and blue cities, now it has spread to the whole country.
So what I hear you saying is that the reason you see the economy as so bad is because of inflation.

Are you aware that the post-pandemic inflation was a global phenomenon, with many countries experiencing much, much higher rates than the US?

Are you aware that the US seems to have actually pulled off the economic "soft landing" where we've brought inflation down to normal levels without having to also go through a recession?

I can provide citations and data if you're interested.

Crime has plummited? Wow man, i do nto know where you live, But every day I am waking up to all these people being killed. Drugs are running rampant, our kids can not even walk alone (I would not walk alone in most places) I remember as a Kid I would ride my block for miles away from my house. no fear. You could not do this today in most cities.

I would stop listening to whoever you get you information from. and look for some real news. maybe talk to some real people. because you are decieved
Yes, crime has dropped significantly across the US. I can provide you data on that if you'd like.

And if you have data showing it's actually increasing, then please post it so I can take a look at it. Thanks.
 

JayBird

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Last I heard trump does not follow his father in this area.. he is not racist..
That's the point. Just because one's dad is X doesn't mean their kids are automatically X too.

Your joking right?

Have you listened her. or do you just listen to the cut apart things the media allows you to hear?
Yes I have. If you have specific info, then please post it.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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JAYBIRD:
“Then, to be blunt, the Trump/MAGA era came to our doors and everything changed. Starting in about 2016 the church became increasingly politically-focused, which started to cause divisions in the congregation.”

Thanks for pointing this out brother, I hadn't seen that. What caused the division in the church is people had to start taking a stand. The comfy church pew where we were insulated from the world was no longer. We couldn't just shut the doors and pretend it wasn't happening. And people got uncomfortable.

Now homosexuals started saying they were Christians and they had a right to be married in the church. Then transgenders came along behind them. Abortion became front and center. And a lot of these issues began to split churches as some followed the Word and some with social Marxism. Then BLM and again, the church was pulled apart on that issue. Some people saw it and knew it for what it was. All this they want to lay at Trumps feet. It was coming whether he was ever in office or not. In fact many of these divisive issues started cracks many years ago. It's just now that we see the toll "social justice" or Marxism has taken on the church. Blaming it on Trump is just silly.
 

JayBird

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Socialism is just communism with the gloves off. I find it hard that you don't see anything Biden/ Harris have done that doesn't lean at the very least, socialist. You're saying you believe they are both died in the wool capitalists?


https://nypost.com/2024/08/16/opinion/kamala-harris-cant-even-fathom-basic-economics/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/08/15/kamala-harris-price-gouging-groceries/

https://www.westernjournal.com/hs-s...oint-critical-error-central-campaign-promise/
So in your view, cracking down on corporate price gouging is communism?

Are you aware that under actual communism, corporate price gouging isn't even possible since communism doesn't allow private corporations in the first place?
 

JayBird

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And you don't know this??? What is Marxist/Communism?

1. It is godless. Kamala's highest priority is the promotion of abortion -- the killing of innocent babies. That is what Moloch worshipers have done in the past, and what the Demoncrats want to perpetuate, and fund.
Sorry, but pro-choice is not communism. That's just ridiculous.

2. It promotes constant conflict within a society. Harris has fully supported the evil pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas protestors who are attacking and threatening Jews. As well as making half the population of America into Nazis and terrorists, and locking up pro-lifers . DEI is another way to create conflict, by making Black Racism a part of the government agenda. Supporting and funding transgenderism is yet another way. Getting all Leftist females to become university and college presidents (without any real qualifications) is another way. Searching for "extremists" within the armed forces is yet another way. The millions of illegals are there to change the demographics, so that white Americans become a minority.
If "promoting conflict" were communism, then Trump would be a communist.

3. It establishes a totalitarian and lawless regime. Weaponizing the justice system against Trump and many Christians and conservatives, while bringing 11- 20 million foreign invaders into the country proves that this Communist regime cares nothing about the Constitution, the rule of law. and lawful American citizens who are tax payers. And Harris is 100% for this. This "border czar" Kamala opened the border wide to foreign invaders, criminals, and terrorists. She treated them like royalty so that the Democrats would always stay in power.
If you think Biden or Harris ordered the DoJ to prosecute Trump, let's see your sources and info.

And where did you get the idea that Harris "opened the border wide"? Are you aware that President Biden asked the Republican House for additional money for more border agents, more technology, more detention facilities, etc.? Are you aware that President Biden shut the border down in June, and border crossings are now at pandemic-levels?

4. It either imprisons or kills its opponents. Hundreds of innocent patriots were locked up in the DC Gulag for J6 under intolerable conditions, and given lengthy prison sentences only because they rejected the government's narrative and stood for freedom. Harris as VP was 100% behind this.
Who are you referring to? Names please.

The attempted assassination of Trump and Scalise, and the threatened assassination of conservative Supreme Court justices is evidence. It's a wonder Clarence Thomas is still alive.
Are you actually saying Biden and/or Harris were behind those events?

5. It replaces the will of the people with the diktats of the State. Joe Biden did not receive a mandate (even from his so-called supporters) to systematically destroy America. But he did this via executive orders and Deep State bureaucrats. Free speech has been censored, vital industries have been shut down, hundreds of businesses are closing their doors because of inflation and increased crime, inflation has gone through the roof so that people cannot even buy necessities like food. Vital oil reserves were shipped out of the country to ensure that America becomes unstable.
Are you aware that the post-pandemic inflation was a global phenomenon, and that the US fared much, much better than most of the rest of the world, including now getting inflation back to normal levels without having to go through a recession?

Are you aware that crime rates have been plummeting for some time now?

6. It uses tax dollars to create chaos. Hundreds of billions of dollars have gone towards the proxy war with Ukraine. as well as to Iran to wage proxy wars against Israel. This has created wars, human suffering, loss of revenues. and much more. Red Sea shipping has been completely destroyed. The Nord Stream pipeline was sabotaged, towns and cities in both Ukraine and Russia have been devastated, so that America will maintain its hegemony. This is all about power, nothing else.
Sorry, but foreign aid is not communism.

[7. Elections are not allowed to be free and fair. This is the only way that the extreme Leftists remain in power forever. The 2020 election was fraudulently stolen, and now it's the turn for the 2024 election. Everything that can contribute to election fraud is already in place, along with hundreds of thousands (or more) of illegal voters with bogus IDS all for the Democrats. This is nothing but the Bolshevik Revolution in another guise. And Harris is a part of this. Lenin claimed he was doing everything for Russia and it was all a lie. Harris is conning low information voters, as well as the idiots who supported Biden. with false promises just to gain power.
That's quite a series of claims. My question is, why couldn't Trump and his lawyers prove a single bit of it in court?
 

JayBird

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Thanks for pointing this out brother

You're very welcome. :)

I hadn't seen that. What caused the division in the church is people had to start taking a stand. The comfy church pew where we were insulated from the world was no longer. We couldn't just shut the doors and pretend it wasn't happening. And people got uncomfortable.
No, it wasn't that. It was that people who'd always had different views and opinions on various issues suddenly couldn't tolerate those differences and started personally attacking each other.


Now homosexuals started saying they were Christians and they had a right to be married in the church. Then transgenders came along behind them. Abortion became front and center. And a lot of these issues began to split churches as some followed the Word and some with social Marxism. Then BLM and again, the church was pulled apart on that issue. Some people saw it and knew it for what it was. All this they want to lay at Trumps feet. It was coming whether he was ever in office or not. In fact many of these divisive issues started cracks many years ago. It's just now that we see the toll "social justice" or Marxism has taken on the church. Blaming it on Trump is just silly.
It wasn't Trump specifically, but Trump-ism IMO.
 

PennEd

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Wow! Fascinating testimony. In my experience the crazier the world gets the more relevant and comforting the prophets are. I wonder in your experience as the problems in the church boiled over did the Pastor turn to the Prophets to help explain what was going on? Or were the prophecies relevant to today not spoken?

I hear some talking about how it is unnerving and scary to talk about God's judgement, but the way I see it the more we see these prophecies being fulfilled the stronger our faith that the Lord is in charge and saw all this coming several thousand years ago and therefore we should trust His plan of salvation.

As for "jaybird" the name reminds me of King Saul prophecying and then stripping naked -- as in "naked as a jaybird". Also because Saul was a type of the Antichrist and the Antichrist spirit was depicted by the raven that Noah released and jaybirds are part of the raven family. So if Saul wanted to come onto a platform like this and speak the Lord's word he too would be "naked as a jaybird"
That whole story is from Jaybird not me.
 

HeIsHere

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So in your view, cracking down on corporate price gouging is communism?

Are you aware that under actual communism, corporate price gouging isn't even possible since communism doesn't allow private corporations in the first place?
Umm a Republican named Nixon tried to crack down on increasing prices, yes indeed, it only made the problem worse.
 

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So in your view, cracking down on corporate price gouging is communism?

Are you aware that under actual communism, corporate price gouging isn't even possible since communism doesn't allow private corporations in the first place?
Everything is communism.

I guess Nixon was a Communist.
 

PennEd

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So in your view, cracking down on corporate price gouging is communism?

Are you aware that under actual communism, corporate price gouging isn't even possible since communism doesn't allow private corporations in the first place?
The job of the federal government is to ensure there are no monopolies, and sufficient competition.

It’s COMPETITION, or capitalism if you will, that ALWAYS creates lower prices and better products.

What the heck country did you grow up in that you don’t know this!!?

It’s also an issue of supply and demand. Pure and simple.

If store A, can offer a better, cheaper product, than store B, they will absolutely do that to generate more customers, and greater profits.

What “price gouging” are you talking about.

Geesh!!! Just how many of these paid Kammie plants did her satanic campaign send here!?
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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No, it wasn't that. It was that people who'd always had different views and opinions on various issues suddenly couldn't tolerate those differences and started personally attacking each other.
I believe there is a spirit, it's a spirit of delusion that has been let loose. I had to have a talk with my nephew the other day. I had thought he had understood what we believed. Then suddenly he said " gay people are good people". And I had to explain to him it's not about being good or bad. It's about accepting Christ as your Savior. We say it's not about a list of do's and don't's. But when you are truly born again there are things you will stop doing. I hope he understands. At least he's still open to listening.