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Do you know how many times I've been called a devil worshipper and idolater? Yeah, some people are pretty stupid!
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eternally-gratefull
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yeah it probably is.
but then again, 2 wrongs do not make a right now does it?
Again it goes to being childish.
"they do it to me so I am going to do it back, and how dare anyone tell me I am acting bad, or childish, or whatever"
did you say you were 47?
Maybe I do seem childish at times. And yeah, I over react. Maybe I shouldn't trade wrong for wrong. It seems after being accused of these things so many times, whether right out or implied, makes me think that insults are all they know. Yeah, its childish and it seems to be what these threads devolve to and unfortunately I participate
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didymos
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Its not if you are an Idolater and i really do not think you worship the Devil.
Its all about who is your God mwc68?
Do you believe its God only and only God who gives us Grace for the receiving of Salvation and for receiving Justification?
If you believe God needs your help in receiving Justification then your God is really not God.
Justification is by Grace alone, by Faith alone, and through Christ alone. Anything you add to it is Works that are worthless. Works that you will receive no Rewards for doing. These are the Works tested by Fire that will be burned up.
So now the question is are you relying on God only or are you trying to interject your works into the equation so you can boast before God?
If you truly have received Salvation by Faith and Grace, then why are you trying to enter into Heaven on your Merits and Works? You will not receive any Rewards for these.
I believe if you really study the Scriptures with the Holy Spirit you will see the Truth in the Scriptures that will then show you the false teachings of the Catholic Church.
I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. When i started studying the Scriptures the Holy Spirit showed me many false teaching in the Catholic Church. This is why i left the Catholic Church to be in a True Christian Church.
Its all about who is your God mwc68?
Do you believe its God only and only God who gives us Grace for the receiving of Salvation and for receiving Justification?
If you believe God needs your help in receiving Justification then your God is really not God.
Justification is by Grace alone, by Faith alone, and through Christ alone. Anything you add to it is Works that are worthless. Works that you will receive no Rewards for doing. These are the Works tested by Fire that will be burned up.
So now the question is are you relying on God only or are you trying to interject your works into the equation so you can boast before God?
If you truly have received Salvation by Faith and Grace, then why are you trying to enter into Heaven on your Merits and Works? You will not receive any Rewards for these.
I believe if you really study the Scriptures with the Holy Spirit you will see the Truth in the Scriptures that will then show you the false teachings of the Catholic Church.
I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. When i started studying the Scriptures the Holy Spirit showed me many false teaching in the Catholic Church. This is why i left the Catholic Church to be in a True Christian Church.
That's silly...
you don't worship satan, you worship the antichrist.
I agree, the Antichrist, will be a great deceiver, who draws worship to himself; and even though we know he will be possessed by the devil, his followers will think he is the reincarnation of Christ. In fact this Antichrist may even be on the scene now:
Over in Europe and England, there is a Pakistani Guru that goes by the name, Lord Maitreya, who already has a LARGE following. I have it documented were he said, "Christ is a Position and not a person. Nearly two thousand years ago Jesus of Nazareth held that Position, now I do. You have go to forget every thing you ever learned about Jesus of Nazareth, and follow me." <-- NOW that is what I call a real Antichrist. That same Guru, claims that one day soon, he is going to go on international TV to do miracles to prove he is the CHRIST.
Now, while we laugh at his claims, look around the world and you will see that we now have at least two generations that trust their eyes, FAR MORE than what the Bible says. They has set themselves up to believe the LIE, because nearly all of them have forgotten that the Devil, can do miracles too:
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I pray to God for forgiveness of my sins. I pray to God that He will show me the Truths in the Scriptures. I pray to God asking Him to give me that which i need. Sometimes i do pray to God asking Him to give me things i do desire.
Especially i pray to God to guild my feet on the narrow and winding path to Heaven.
What i do not do anymore is pray to Mary or the Saints. I pray only to God because He is God and no one else can do anything for me that He cannot do.
Its God and only God i pray to mwc68 for i have learned its a waste of time praying to Mary or anyone else.
Exodus 34:14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God,
Psalm 81:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] There shall be no foreign god among you; Nor shall you worship any foreign god.
Matthew 4:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "
Especially i pray to God to guild my feet on the narrow and winding path to Heaven.
What i do not do anymore is pray to Mary or the Saints. I pray only to God because He is God and no one else can do anything for me that He cannot do.
Its God and only God i pray to mwc68 for i have learned its a waste of time praying to Mary or anyone else.
Exodus 34:14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God,
Psalm 81:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] There shall be no foreign god among you; Nor shall you worship any foreign god.
Matthew 4:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "
(NIV) 1 Timothy 2:5
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Galahad
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Roman Catholic Chat?
Royal Crown Cola?
Real Coke Classic?
Roman Catholic Church?
Or a mistake of CCR, which stands for: Credence Clearwater Revival.
Hopes this helps. Just stay with the context, and so probably Roman Catholic Church.
I pray to God for all of those things and more. I do not worship Mary, yet I believe in intercession. If my asking for intercession is a waste of time, why are you acting as if by doing this I will go straight to Hell even though I am saved? What little we do know of Mary and her attitude towards God can fill volume after volume of how to respond to God. Is this devotion a waste of time? Have you ever marvled at that single event that made Saul, Paul? Does this mean I worship Paul if I contemplate his conversion? Of course not!
Asking for the Intercession of Mary is a waste of time and I cam prove it.
1. For Mary to hear you asking her for intercession she has to be alive. Mary is dead and in the grave.
2. Even IF Mary was in Heaven, for Mary to hear everybody asking her for intercession she would be required to have Omnipresence.
3. Only God is Omnipresence. Only God can be everywhere at the same time.
4. Mary cannot have Omnipresence because Mary is not God.
So yes, asking Mary to intercede for you is a waste of time.
Instead you should be asking God directly for what you want. Only God and God only can do all the things needed and necessary for us to receive Justification and Sanctification.
Devotion to Mary is a waste of time because Mary has no powers to do anything for us. Only God alone has the abilities and powers to do what He wants for us, not Mary.
Asking Mary to intercede for you may not keep you from entering into Heaven, but you will not receive and rewards for asking Mary to intercede for you.
Would it not be better to ask Jesus Christ to intercede for you? After all Jesus Christ is God and Mary is only a mere human with absolutely no powers.
1. For Mary to hear you asking her for intercession she has to be alive. Mary is dead and in the grave.
2. Even IF Mary was in Heaven, for Mary to hear everybody asking her for intercession she would be required to have Omnipresence.
3. Only God is Omnipresence. Only God can be everywhere at the same time.
4. Mary cannot have Omnipresence because Mary is not God.
So yes, asking Mary to intercede for you is a waste of time.
Instead you should be asking God directly for what you want. Only God and God only can do all the things needed and necessary for us to receive Justification and Sanctification.
Devotion to Mary is a waste of time because Mary has no powers to do anything for us. Only God alone has the abilities and powers to do what He wants for us, not Mary.
Asking Mary to intercede for you may not keep you from entering into Heaven, but you will not receive and rewards for asking Mary to intercede for you.
Would it not be better to ask Jesus Christ to intercede for you? After all Jesus Christ is God and Mary is only a mere human with absolutely no powers.
I don't know about these "rewards" you refer to. I always thought everlasting life was the reward. We will have to disagree on Mary and the communion of saints
Then you do not believe what it says in the Bible, do you:
John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life,
{the body will die, but the human spirit of one born again will never die.}
but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life;
instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
2 Corinthians 5:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.
John 11:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"
{OBVIOUSLY, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THIS.}
Psalm 146:4 (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
on that very day their plans come to nothing.
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tanach
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I am quite aware that the Catholic Church teaches false doctrines about Mary and a number of other things. What we need to remember is that most Catholics have been born into Catholic families. Conversion is fairly rare. They do not know any other approach to God beside what they have been taught. Many have never read the Bible because they rely on the Missal in worship. What I am saying is that we need to have some knowledge of what they believe so that we can share the gospel with them. Having an aggressive and hostile attitude towards them will not free them from the false system they are in, because you are not only attacking their beliefs you are attacking their whole way of life and culture.
There is a Crown of Gold and a mansion that are our rewards in Heaven.
You cannot claim to "disagree" on a teaching that is not in the Scriptures and is not from God.
Either it is from God and therefore a True teaching or it is from the Catholic Church and is a false teaching.
The teaching of Mary interceding for us is not in the Bible.
The teaching of Mary interceding for us is a tradition of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church made up this teaching so they could include praying to Mary.
What you need to understand mwc68 is you are taking your eyes off of God and looking to Mary for help. Mary is not a deity, Mary is not God and Mary is not a God. Mary was a mere human born in sin like the rest of us. She has no special powers nor any abilities like what God has.
You are being deceived by the Catholic Church.
So who are you following as your God? Jesus Christ or Mary? You cannot serve two Masters, and you cannot serve two Gods.
Are you willing to risk your Rewards in Heaven just to follow Mary?
Matthew 16:27
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Colossians 2:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
We will receive a Reward for what we have done. If we do not do what God wants we will receive no Reward for it.
Asking Mary to intercede for you will give you no Rewards in Heaven.
You cannot claim to "disagree" on a teaching that is not in the Scriptures and is not from God.
Either it is from God and therefore a True teaching or it is from the Catholic Church and is a false teaching.
The teaching of Mary interceding for us is not in the Bible.
The teaching of Mary interceding for us is a tradition of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church made up this teaching so they could include praying to Mary.
What you need to understand mwc68 is you are taking your eyes off of God and looking to Mary for help. Mary is not a deity, Mary is not God and Mary is not a God. Mary was a mere human born in sin like the rest of us. She has no special powers nor any abilities like what God has.
You are being deceived by the Catholic Church.
So who are you following as your God? Jesus Christ or Mary? You cannot serve two Masters, and you cannot serve two Gods.
Are you willing to risk your Rewards in Heaven just to follow Mary?
Matthew 16:27
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Colossians 2:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
We will receive a Reward for what we have done. If we do not do what God wants we will receive no Reward for it.
Asking Mary to intercede for you will give you no Rewards in Heaven.
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tanach
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KenAllan. I am neither Catholic or Athiest. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me. I only answer to God.