Do you observe the Sabbath?

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gb9

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We have become dead to the law through Christ.
Dead to the penalty and the condemnation of the law.
The death penalty was paid for us...

Do we keep sinning and transgressing the law because the price was paid.

Do we continue to crucify Christ again and again.

Your sins need to be paid for, so do we use the grace of God to continue in sin?.
Gentiles were never under the Law and were never commanded to keep the Sabbath.
 

Aaron56

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Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Show me a man that makes void the law by faith in Gods grace?
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
You don’t understand what that means.

The Law protected the people through whom the Seed would come. It put limits on sin so that all would not die.
The Law was given until the Seed appeared.
The Seed is Christ.
The Seed reconciles men to God. “God was in Christ (the Seed) reconciling the world to Himself”.
Our reconciliation to God proves the Law’s effectiveness.
Now by our appearing, as people reconciled to God, we establish the Law’s effectiveness. It worked its intended purpose.

Just as we do not call the crib “worthless” when the baby matures out of it, we do not call the Law “worthless”. No, the Law was good and holy.
However, once mature, if we seek to go back into the crib to sleep we are foolish.
 

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Six days' toil, and on the seventh day rest. If an American loses his job, can't find a job to pay rent, becomes homeless, is he guilty of not going to work or not being able to work?

Sin or not ?

The law we have, has become love others as yourself.
Do you realize that statement speaks utter unbelief in the Living GOD to provide for your every Need just as He promised?
 

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Do you realize that statement speaks utter unbelief in the Living GOD to provide for your every Need just as He promised?
I don't even know what you're trying to say.

If it's just food, you do have free food in America,A place where you can get free food.
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but all I know is that you have to have an home address to get a job in America.

But I think God has already said that what we need He already knows,For me, I realized the same thing, I didn't need to pray, he already knew and provided what I needed.
 

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Gentiles were never under the Law and were never commanded to keep the Sabbath.
Paul was preaching to the gentiles and he said "we estabish the law".

The sabbath was made holy at creation. Before Jew or gentile.
 

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Paul was preaching to the gentiles and he said "we estabish the law".

The sabbath was made holy at creation. Before Jew or gentile.
If that is the case, the sabbath was from the beginning.

Why is the sabbath not mentioned in the law of Noah?
 

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You don’t understand what that means.

The Law protected the people through whom the Seed would come. It put limits on sin so that all would not die.
The Law was given until the Seed appeared.
The Seed is Christ.
The Seed reconciles men to God. “God was in Christ (the Seed) reconciling the world to Himself”.
Our reconciliation to God proves the Law’s effectiveness.
Now by our appearing, as people reconciled to God, we establish the Law’s effectiveness. It worked its intended purpose.

Just as we do not call the crib “worthless” when the baby matures out of it, we do not call the Law “worthless”. No, the Law was good and holy.
However, once mature, if we seek to go back into the crib to sleep we are foolish.
Can i throw out the command to not steal.

We are reconciled to God through Christ, did Christ make the 10 commandments void, or the penalty of transgressing them?
 

Aaron56

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Can i throw out the command to not steal.
”Love one another as I have loved you” is one of the new commandments. Jesus said this. Therefore, you may steal as often as Jesus stole from others.
 

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Can i throw out the command to not steal.

We are reconciled to God through Christ, did Christ make the 10 commandments void, or the penalty of transgressing them?
You threw more than 600 laws in the bin. Why try and hold onto what was left?

Your not under the law but you are.
 

TMS

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”Love one another as I have loved you” is one of the new commandments. Jesus said this. Therefore, you may steal as often as Jesus stole from others.
The first commandment is to Love God with all our hearts.
Jesus kept the Sabbath and If God has asked me to obey the sabbath, my love for Him will show by my fruits..

Anyone can claim to be god and ask you to not kill and not take his name in vain, i could ask you to obey 9 of the 10 commandments if i claimed to be a god or a king or ruller. But the 4th commandment identifies God as the creator and maker of the world.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
 

Mem

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The life is not in the law, it is in the Blood that is over it sprinkled on the kapporet (the mercy seat) of the Ark of the Covenant, which contains the tablets within it. That must mean something.
 

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You threw more than 600 laws in the bin. Why try and hold onto what was left?

Your not under the law but you are.
if you want to understand the difference i know i have put them up several times.
But even if there is a difference between the civil, cerimonial and moral laws, some people throw the baby out with the bath water.

The is no evidence to say the Ten commandments were nailed to the cross.

If your already made up in your thinking about the laws you will not see it any differently.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
This was after the resurrection and is talking about the 10 commandments.
 

TMS

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The life is not in the law, it is in the Blood that is over it sprinkled on the kapporet (the mercy seat) of the Ark of the Covenant, which contains the tablets within it. That must mean something.
Yes,
The law can't give us life. It condemns us as guilty. But not because the law is bad or wrong but because we are guilty. Gods laws keep the universe safe.
The laws in the ark of the covenant were a witness to show right and wrong, righteousness and sin. We all need the mercy seat because we have all sinned.
Take the standard of right and wrong away and the need for a mercy seat is gone.

Adam needs the mercy seat and we do today so the law must be revealing sin from start to finish.
 

TMS

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Your not under the law but you are.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Because of the grace that God has promised me and given me, i choose to yield unto God, so i'm not under the law, i'm keeping it because of the righteousness of God in me.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 

Mem

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Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Because of the grace that God has promised me and given me, i choose to yield unto God, so i'm not under the law, i'm keeping it because of the righteousness of God in me.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Hebrews 2:14-6 says that Jesus shared in the humanity of the children of God (descendants of Abraham, who are children according to faith) since they have flesh and blood, so that by His death He might destroy him that has the power of death, and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

And 2 Timothy 1:10 says that Jesus "has abolished death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the gospel."

We are delivered from him that has the power of death, that is, the devil. What is the power of death that the devil has? Condemnation.

But Romans 8 says, "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
 

TMS

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Does everyone understand the difference between the Seventh day Sabbath and the other sabbaths that were introduced because of sin?

The seventh day sabbath was made holy at creation before sin.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The other sabbaths were introduced as cerimonial laws, after sin.. Lev 23

They fell on different days of the week and some were for different lenghts of time like a year long. Lev 23:6-8, 25:4, 2 Chron 36:21.

Already there is a big difference, the fact that they were introduced for Israel as civil and cerimonial laws.

Some more points.....
The Seventh day sabbath was always the same time every week. the annual cerimonial sabbaths could fall from the first day to the seventh day depending on the year.
God spoke or narrated the 4th commandment, where as the other sabbaths were given by moses. God wrote the 4th commandment with his finger in stone, but the details for the other sabbaths were written by moses Deu 31:24.
The commands were keeped in different places. The tables of stone with the 4th commandment were place inside the ark of the testament Deu 10:2-5. The cerimonial sabbaths were written on a scroll and placed beside the ark Deu 31:26.
The fuction of the Seventh day sabbath is to ...1. define sin because it is part of the moral law ...2. Commemorate the creation of the world and the creator Ex 20:8-11 ...3. Commemorate redemption and honnor the redeemer Deu 5:12-15 ...4. A sign that God is the one that sanctifies us Eze 20:12, Ex 31:13...5. A test of allegiance Ex 16:4-30, Deu 8:2,16 ...6. The promotion of healthy relation with God, friends, (others) and family. Gen 2:2, Lev 23:3..
The function of the annual ceremonial sabbaths is ...1.To commemorate events connected with Israel's deliverance from Egypt. ...2. To symbolize various aspects and accomplishments of the Messiah's ministry. (They were a shadow of what Christ would bring).

The difference between the Sabbath that God made holy at creation and the sabbaths that were introduced because of sin is clearly seen.
 

TMS

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Hebrews 2:14-6 says that Jesus shared in the humanity of the children of God (descendants of Abraham, who are children according to faith) since they have flesh and blood, so that by His death He might destroy him that has the power of death, and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

And 2 Timothy 1:10 says that Jesus "has abolished death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the gospel."

We are delivered from him that has the power of death, that is, the devil. What is the power of death that the devil has? Condemnation.

But Romans 8 says, "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.
There is no condemnation because the price has been paid in full by Jesus. Roms 8 explains it well.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 

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There is no condemnation because the price has been paid in full by Jesus. Roms 8 explains it well.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Of course, so then, why should we worry that anyone that have the Spirit of God dwelling in them need to walk in the Spirit since, by definition they are already doing so? And what would telling them to keep the law do to 'get them there'?
 

Aaron56

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Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John would go on to write: ”And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.”

Jesus said: “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.”

These are the commandments of the current covenant.
 

TMS

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Of course, so then, why should we worry that anyone that have the Spirit of God dwelling in them need to walk in the Spirit since, by definition they are already doing so? And what would telling them to keep the law do to 'get them there'?
The Spirit talk's to our hearts and conscious, If you don't know that it is wrong you wont feel guilty.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

The law points out sin.
We can choose if we follow the Spirit or follow the carnal nature (flesh). We do have a choice.

The same Spirit that guided and gave Christ the victory is offered to us by Christ and that Spirit obeyed the law of God.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.