Doctors Don't Heal Anyone!!

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I think we all agree that it is God that heals and performs miracles, not the doctors. Are you saying that we shouldn't go to doctors for any reason because it won't be a total healing? Just trying to understand...
 
Tumnus said:
I think we all agree that it is God that heals and performs miracles, not the doctors. Are you saying that we shouldn't go to doctors for any reason because it won't be a total healing? Just trying to understand...
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If we want healing we should go to Jesus, not to doctors. many people have substituted Jesus for doctors. They want answers from psychologists on how they should live, on how their problems should be solved, but they will not go to Jesus. They want answers and can never get them. They want remedies for life issues. They march in parades for a cure, but their is not cure in parades. If you want the cure to Cancer go to Jesus Christ. Many people make doctors their first choice and Jesus the last. They wait until the doctor can do nothing then they call on Jesus. I say AMEN! call on Jesus. But why do you go to doctors first? Should Jesus be first? Should his kingdom be first? Don't you know that the power of his kingdom is more powerful than anything in this kingdom?

It is just plain pitiful sometimes, people are vexed with demons, then they go to counselors vexed with demons to get healing. It is like Satan trying to cure sin, when his whole purpose is to kill. Doctors don't heal. Jesus heals. But the prophet Isaiah was VERY right when he spoke of this generation. He said they have ears but they don't hear, eyes but they don't see, lest their eyes should see and their ears should hear, and they should come to me and I should heal them. This is the work of Satan. He blinds the eyes and deafens the ears and darkens understanding so that people seek people and other gods rather than the one true God, who is blessed forever, Amen!
 
KnightdeKhristos said:
Ok, please define "healing"
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To wholly cure. The most doctors can do is find a cure, and even then if they haven't found Jesus they have hardly found the cure. So they are always searching and never able to come to the knowledge of the Cure.
 
Oh, I see. Sure, only Jesus could give the Cure which will rid man of death and his sin which infects his spirit, yet people don't go to doctors for that kind of "cure". Jesus' cure is "spiritual", while the doctors' cure is "physical".
 
KnightdeKhristos said:
Oh, I see. Sure, only Jesus could give the Cure which will rid man of death and his sin which infects his spirit, yet people don't go to doctors for that kind of "cure". Jesus' cure is "spiritual", while the doctors' cure is "physical".
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Ahh, but who said Jesus doesn't heal physically? He surely does. He surely can, and he surely will. The people who came to Jesus were healed physically. Jesus was given all power by God, to manifest healing here on earth. In the Spiritual realm the things that happen manifest on the earth. There is an actual manifestation of the Spirit in healing. It is an actual manifestation of the kingdom. Satan has made the children of God blind to spiritual things, deaf to spiritual things, so that they WILL NOT be healed. The same Spirit that raised Lazarus from the dead is the Same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. And it is the Same spirit that will raise many from the dead. Jesus heals. Satan is a liar.
 
i remember this story that was on the news about this christian organsation that belived god did all the healing and every1 who went there belived that vaccines did nothing aswell as medcines and doctors ibelive they got measels or meningitis 6 children died anothe case an 11 year old girl had treatable diabetes her parents used pray she died a slow and painful death no what you gona tell me "o god does heal havent you seen that show where some1 in wheel chair and then there able to stand" yer a person you dont know that no one has ever seen before hey its a good con "see i healed this person now give me money and i can heal you" we see how rich these so called healers are yet they dont go round finding blind disabled people and heal for free nope the lord needs money. now lets say people really do heal magically and those people are belivers why does god pick and chose why arnt all belivers heald why are belivers still effect by illness and die for it and all powerful being has to pick and chose and doesnt chose to save the 11 year old girl or those 6 kids wow. this just reminds me of a story that some1 said proves god makes miracles and its to do with representative giffords shot through the head and she survived (with possible brain damag) miracle that a 9 year old dies aswell as sevral other people is that really a miracle not really
 
First of all, I wouldn't go to far as to say that doctors dont heal. I heard Scott Johnson off of BelieversWay.tv ... Once he was very sick so he went to a doctor. the doctor said he had the flu and sent him home with some medicine. Few days past, and he got sicker. one night he heard the hol spirit tell him that the doctor miss diagnosed him. So he went to another doctor and he went through the same process about three times. Then the last doctor he went to diagnosed him wth Cancer. He went through x-rays, GI's, and everything. A week later he was walking in the doctors office; and noticed that the sign on the door said soandso's practice in medicine, and the holy spirit told him, yea an he practicing on you. ...Well he found that he was allergic to milk. But he said what it taught him was not to put hisself in just anyone else's hands. So doctors can make misstakes but they can also do a lot of good.
 
wolfywolfs said:
i remember this story that was on the news about this christian organsation that belived god did all the healing and every1 who went there belived that vaccines did nothing aswell as medcines and doctors ibelive they got measels or meningitis 6 children died anothe case an 11 year old girl had treatable diabetes her parents used pray she died a slow and painful death no what you gona tell me "o god does heal havent you seen that show where some1 in wheel chair and then there able to stand" yer a person you dont know that no one has ever seen before hey its a good con "see i healed this person now give me money and i can heal you" we see how rich these so called healers are yet they dont go round finding blind disabled people and heal for free nope the lord needs money. now lets say people really do heal magically and those people are belivers why does god pick and chose why arnt all belivers heald why are belivers still effect by illness and die for it and all powerful being has to pick and chose and doesnt chose to save the 11 year old girl or those 6 kids wow. this just reminds me of a story that some1 said proves god makes miracles and its to do with representative giffords shot through the head and she survived (with possible brain damag) miracle that a 9 year old dies aswell as sevral other people is that really a miracle not really
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Why are so angry with God? Why are you so angry? Healing is not magic, people who don't know God make up that witchcraft work because they are rebellious. Jesus Christ does heal, but an unfaithful and wicked generation will not go to him to be healed. They trust their psychics more than God, their doctors more than Jesus. It is all witchcraft because these people are rebellious. God is not some magician, men who believe in magic are just following after their father, Satan, who is the father of deception. Doctors don't heal, Jesus heals. Doctors just search for cures, and if they haven't found Jesus they have hardly found the cure.
 
gospelofchrist said:
First of all, I wouldn't go to far as to say that doctors dont heal. I heard Scott Johnson off of BelieversWay.tv ... Once he was very sick so he went to a doctor. the doctor said he had the flu and sent him home with some medicine. Few days past, and he got sicker. one night he heard the hol spirit tell him that the doctor miss diagnosed him. So he went to another doctor and he went through the same process about three times. Then the last doctor he went to diagnosed him wth Cancer. He went through x-rays, GI's, and everything. A week later he was walking in the doctors office; and noticed that the sign on the door said soandso's practice in medicine, and the holy spirit told him, yea an he practicing on you. ...Well he found that he was allergic to milk. But he said what it taught him was not to put hisself in just anyone else's hands. So doctors can make misstakes but they can also do a lot of good.
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If you wouldn't go that far you must be thinking God is the only doctor that can heal, right? He is!!! But the doctors people seek are flesh and are limited. They do not heal. They have no power to heal. All power to heal is from God and is by God. The best doctors can do is to search for a cure. They cannot cure themselves. Jesus heals, he is the one we should have as our FIRST choice physician. Even on the cross they mocked Jesus saying, ''Physician heal thyself.''
 
Ramon said:
Why are so angry with God? Why are you so angry? Healing is not magic, people who don't know God make up that witchcraft work because they are rebellious. Jesus Christ does heal, but an unfaithful and wicked generation will not go to him to be healed. They trust their psychics more than God, their doctors more than Jesus. It is all witchcraft because these people are rebellious. God is not some magician, men who believe in magic are just following after their father, Satan, who is the father of deception. Doctors don't heal, Jesus heals. Doctors just search for cures, and if they haven't found Jesus they have hardly found the cure.
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wait to you get a life threatening diease one that will kill you with out treatment and lets see you live with just gods help
 
Okay, let me come at this question another way...couldn't it also be the prerogative of God not to provide total healing if it furthers His cause of spreading the gospel-The Great Commission? The example I am thinking of is Joni Eareckson Tada. She has been a paraplegic for over 40 years now, but through her disability and her submission to God's will for her life thousands, perhaps millions, around the world have come to know Christ. She has an international ministry that is dedicated to the "spiritual healing" of those who are disabled and their families. She has the unique opportunity to do mighty things for the LORD with what the world views as a "damaged" body.

The way I see it, it is when we are at our most vulnerable and painful state that God's power in us is that more apparent. Another example is the Apostle Paul. God never removed that thorn in his flesh (some say it was an eye illness) that tormented him. [II Cor. 12:7-10] Yet Christ used him to spread the Gospel to the Gentiles and to write a good portion of the New Testament. Vs.9 "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."
 
lets look at it this was at the time where medicne wasnt really advance many people died then we dicovers vaccines many people live discover we can do human transplants more poeple live medical equipment and medcine advances the average life expectences has gone up im sorry ramon are you blind and cant look out your bible for 5 secs or is it just coincedence humans life expecting goes up when medicine advances
 
wolfywolfs said:
lets look at it this was at the time where medicne wasnt really advance many people died then we dicovers vaccines many people live discover we can do human transplants more poeple live medical equipment and medcine advances the average life expectences has gone up im sorry ramon are you blind and cant look out your bible for 5 secs or is it just coincedence humans life expecting goes up when medicine advances
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What is human life expectancy when humans are all appointed a time to die? Don't you want to live forever? Jesus not only offers eternal life by obeying him, but also a long life. You know in the law it says Honor your Father and Your mother, so that your days may be long upon the land the Lord your God will give you. Now, this is the first command WITH promise. Do you Honor your Father and Your mother? The Power of God does not stale, it is people who change, but God is unchanged, and because of this he has not destroyed you. It is because he is loving and caring, and I care for you my friend. That is why I can be patient because God was patient with me. It is not my hope to see anyone destroyed.

You say I am blind, but anyone who cannot see what Jesus says is blind, according to Isaiah and to David, even according to Jesus. But if you see these people as Holy, then why don't you hear the same Spirit that was in them? Anyone who says they see, their sin remains with them IF THEY DON"T ALSO OBEY.
 
Tumnus said:
Okay, let me come at this question another way...couldn't it also be the prerogative of God not to provide total healing if it furthers His cause of spreading the gospel-The Great Commission? The example I am thinking of is Joni Eareckson Tada. She has been a paraplegic for over 40 years now, but through her disability and her submission to God's will for her life thousands, perhaps millions, around the world have come to know Christ. She has an international ministry that is dedicated to the "spiritual healing" of those who are disabled and their families. She has the unique opportunity to do mighty things for the LORD with what the world views as a "damaged" body.

The way I see it, it is when we are at our most vulnerable and painful state that God's power in us is that more apparent. Another example is the Apostle Paul. God never removed that thorn in his flesh (some say it was an eye illness) that tormented him. [II Cor. 12:7-10] Yet Christ used him to spread the Gospel to the Gentiles and to write a good portion of the New Testament. Vs.9 "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."
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If so many people have come to the knowledge of the Truth through her sickness, how many more through her healing? Sometimes people are a certain way so that God might show his glory through them, yet it has never been his will for anyone to be sick. Sickness is of Satan, not of God. Some people are sick because of sin, but some are sick so that they might be healed to show God's glory. Either way If people are coming to Jesus Christ, Amen, but don't glorify sickness to say her sickness brought people to Jesus. The Holy Spirit brings people to Jesus Christ.

Now, if she says spiritual healing then she must have also seen the manifestation of this healing, because what is done in heaven, is done on earth for those who are in Christ to manifest his glory here on earth. Does she give glory to Spiritual healing or to God who heals, or to her sickness? God doesn't make us weak to show his glory. But when we are weak we are more able to behold his glory. because we are evidence to ourselves that we cannot do his perfect will alone. Mighty things for the Lord will not save anyone. Many people will present their mighty things before the Lord on judgment day and he will say to them, I never knew you you worker of iniquity. They will say, haven't we done this... or haven't we done that... in your name, but he will say depart from me you that works iniquity. Who is getting the glory? Whose is the Power? Whose is the Kingdom?

Jesus said, the ones who are his disciples will cast out demons and lay hands on the sick and they will be healed, and take up serpents that, if they bite them will not harm them. But whose power is it? THE POWER AND GLORY AND HONOR IS GOD'S not her sickness. If she uses sickness as a means to get sympathy for God then she has erred. The gospel OF JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY POWER OF GOD unto salvation. Not the gospel of Ramon, nor the gospel of Paul, nor the gospel of Joni Eareckson Tada.
 
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Ramon said:
God heals, not doctors. Their will be many people who stand before the Lord on that day of judgment. They will say, ''Haven't we prophesied in your name? Haven't we cast out demons in your name?'' But the Lord will say to them,'' depart from me, you that work iniquity, I never knew you!'' How is this? Do these people really think that they are the ones who prophesied? Do they really think that they are the ones who cast out demons? The Power and the kingdom is God's, so these people did not have a right relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus heals, though he uses an earthen vessel. The SPIRIT prophesies. Doctors don't perform miracles.
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Do you know the hearts of people? Do you know the heart of GOD? Would you condemn people and things without this knowledge? would you speak without the promoting of the Holy Spirit?

Without love it is but a loud clanging bell!

where is your compassion for those who you judge? where is your compassion for doctors who try their best? where is your awe in the work of the Holy spirit by revealing the art of healing to combat the curse of disease. a curse we earned through disobedience. Medicine is God given and mercy by grace to the afflicted, would you deny God's hand in these revelation? Would you deny the Holy Spirit. GOD uses doctors to heal others as He uses others to minister to His people.

Do not speak so hastily. You will be judged by your words and your mercy to others.
 
Ramon said:
If you wouldn't go that far you must be thinking God is the only doctor that can heal, right? He is!!! But the doctors people seek are flesh and are limited. They do not heal. They have no power to heal. All power to heal is from God and is by God. The best doctors can do is to search for a cure. They cannot cure themselves. Jesus heals, he is the one we should have as our FIRST choice physician. Even on the cross they mocked Jesus saying, ''Physician heal thyself.''
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perhaps you can look at the doctors search for a cure as a prayer that their decisions will work through the grace and mercy of God? THey diagnosis and suggest and pray and God does the rest.
 
AnandaHya said:
Do you know the hearts of people? Do you know the heart of GOD? Would you condemn people and things without this knowledge? would you speak without the promoting of the Holy Spirit?

Without love it is but a loud clanging bell!

where is your compassion for those who you judge? where is your compassion for doctors who try their best? where is your awe in the work of the Holy spirit by revealing the art of healing to combat the curse of disease. a curse we earned through disobedience. Medicine is God given and mercy by grace to the afflicted, would you deny God's hand in these revelation? Would you deny the Holy Spirit. GOD uses doctors to heal others as He uses others to minister to His people.

Do not speak so hastily. You will be judged by your words and your mercy to others.
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My friend, listen closely to my words, if my words will condemn me with God then they will. But don't judge me so quickly. Listen closely to my words, and if anything was purposed to offend anyone I know God will judge me. I do not deny the Holy Spirit, because he is the same spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead. Again, again doctors do not heal anyone, and ministers could not minister without the Holy Spirit guiding them. People deserve NO glory concerning salvation, and healing, and praise. I cannot praise a doctor more than Jesus Christ, if I did my praise would be worthless. The only bell that is going off is a person's conscience. Yes, God USES others but he can do just fine without them. The tool should never magnify itself over the user of the tool. God does not need people to speak, he could very well use a donkey or a rock, if people will not testify of him.

Who have I condemned? My words will condemn no one, but people who reject Jesus will be condemned. People will be condemned by their own words, and will be judged by the words of Jesus.
 
Sin bring on sickness and confession to God in the name of Jesus brings on healing for to be in fellowship with God is the first step to the healing process
God forgive me for adultery, fornication,covetness...in the name of Jesus amen is the first step then ten or more days later be washed of admitted sin
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God gave us doctors for a reason. They have years of training and they can be of great help to us
 
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