Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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brightfame52

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Can you explain How god can prophecy things literally thousands of years in advance and they come true word for word?

Why do you hold God down to time? God is outside of time my friend.
You do realize those God chose before the foundation were chosen before they had being ? What can a person possibly do before they exist ?
 
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You do realize those God chose before the foundation were chosen before they had being ? What can a person possibly do before they exist ?
you failed to answer how God can prophesy.

Stop putting God in a hole. And learn who God is

God predestined that whoever believes in him will never perish but has eternal life.

thats what the word says, I have shown you this a few times.
 

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Now in considering the bible teaching on unconditional election, we must consider its logical counterpart the doctrine of unconditional reprobation. Thats not to say the reprobate wont be punished justly for their sins in reprobation, however God sovereignly chose to exercise justice on them for their sins, as opposed to having sovereignly chose to exercise mercy towards the elect for their sins.

Now here are some biblical concepts for unconditional reprobation:

. First, God hath refused or rejected some particular persons, on whom he purposed never to have mercy; this is most evident from the Scriptures following. “But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.” John 10:26 “But the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.” Rom11:7. “Therefore hath he mercy, on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.” Rom 9:18

These are people whom God has purposed not to heal/save Jn 12:39-40

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
 

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you failed to answer how God can prophesy.

Stop putting God in a hole. And learn who God is

God predestined that whoever believes in him will never perish but has eternal life.

thats what the word says, I have shown you this a few times.
Doesnt need answering. What needs to be understood is that God chose a people before they existed in order to perform any actions. Just like God said about jacob and easu, Gods purpose for them was established before they were born to any good or evil Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

So what can be more clearer that God isnt basing election on what people do, since it was before they were born !! This has absolutely nothing to do with prophecy !
 
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Doesnt need answering. What needs to be understood is that God chose a people before they existed in order to perform any actions. Just like God said about jacob and easu, Gods purpose for them was established before they were born to any good or evil Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

So what can be more clearer that God isnt basing election on what people do, since it was before they were born !! This has absolutely nothing to do with prophecy !
Romans 11 concerns Israel. Not individuals.

God chose Isreal before anyone had done good or evil. A huge argument the pharisee and Jews made was they were chosen because of the righteousness of their fathers. Paul refuted that argument

once again, as JESUS said, it is Hs will that whoever sees and believes will never die

whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does nt believe is condemned already]

Salvation is by Grace through faith

Condemnation is through unbelief.

Predesitination hence is based on faith.

That was what and how God elects people. By his will

Your pigeon holding God and not allowing him to do whatever he wants. Or desires.
 

brightfame52

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Romans 11 concerns Israel. Not individuals.

God chose Isreal before anyone had done good or evil. A huge argument the pharisee and Jews made was they were chosen because of the righteousness of their fathers. Paul refuted that argument

once again, as JESUS said, it is Hs will that whoever sees and believes will never die

whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does nt believe is condemned already]

Salvation is by Grace through faith

Condemnation is through unbelief.

Predesitination hence is based on faith.

That was what and how God elects people. By his will

Your pigeon holding God and not allowing him to do whatever he wants. Or desires.
You saying anything to escape the Truth of unconditional election which the scripture teaches.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You saying anything to escape the Truth of unconditional election which the scripture teaches.
Or your not listening to
Anything which MAY say otherwise

Saying I Am not listening is not supporting your case. It is making you appear to be at a loss and unable to counter My arguments

At the least you could do is speak to the many passages i Have mentioned. As I have yours
 

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You do realize those God chose before the foundation were chosen before they had being ? What can a person possibly do before they exist ?
Before the foundation of the earth God plan to create human , Adam an eve God chose to put them in paradise not to hell so Otiginally God chose to put Adam and his offspring in paradise, not hell
But Adam disobeyed and some of his disobeyed offspring go to hell

Originally all human predestined chosen to go to heaven. Because God is love and don't want human go to hell.
 

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The believer believes because of Grace Acts 18:27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

The word through is the prep dia which means:

through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.
It is most interesting that you will hang your hat on a single verse that you think helps you but will deny 40 + that say man is saved by faith or through faith. You should really stop cutting up your bible that way. TYou need to trust the whole of scripture.
 

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You do realize those God chose before the foundation were chosen before they had being ? What can a person possibly do before they exist ?
This is the logical outcome of Calvinism and their divine determinism.
You do realize those God chose to reprobate before the foundation were decreed reprobate before they had being ? What can a person possibly do before they exist?

So under calvinism we have people condemned to an eternity in hell for no other reason than God decided to send them there. And they call this the "doctrines of grace" that is a misnomer if I ever heard of one.
 

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You saying anything to escape the Truth of unconditional election which the scripture teaches.
Whereas you will believe anything that comes from your calvinist group. You have sold out to a man made theology and drank the kool-aid. If you ever take the time to look at the logical outcome of your views than you should be as shocked by them as we bible believing Christians are.
Having read a number of your posts I find that you are will to impune the character of God so that you can promote your unbiblical views.
 
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Gods Glory is manifested in Unconditional Sovereign Election and Reprobation. Election is a Matter of absolute Mercy Rom 9:11-15

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.11

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

God is not obligated to have mercy on any one of us, He would have been just to punish eternally everyone for their sins against Him.

However He purposed for His own Glory to have Mercy on only some, a remnant of mankind. Moses had asked God to show him His Glory, and the Lord answred Ex 33:18,19

18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

See that, God in responding to Moses said He will proclaim HIS NAME ! And in that proclamation we have the sacred words " and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."

The Glory of the Lord is bound up in His Sovereign Prerogative to be merciful and gracious to whomever He pleases understanding that He can withhold the same to whomever He pleases.

Ps 115:3

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Calvin is so loud for a dead person who was shocked when he found out he did not make the cut

unrepentant scheming and murder is not given to salvation. David repented, when confronted and confronted because God loved him, but Calvin? I'm thinking not so much

Calvinists have come a courtin' in this forum over and over and always the same lines....zzzzzzzzzzz :sleep:
 
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Ps 115:3

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
yes. and for that reason, He sent His only Son to die so that whosoever will might believe in Him and have eternal life. John 3:16

Thank God.
 
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SophieT

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Whosoever (whoever) doesn't mean everyone. It is basically saying any person/persons who. Not everyone. It's basic English.
oh that's just precious. you have it really bad if you think that
 

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Before the foundation of the earth God plan to create human , Adam an eve God chose to put them in paradise not to hell so Otiginally God chose to put Adam and his offspring in paradise, not hell
But Adam disobeyed and some of his disobeyed offspring go to hell

Originally all human predestined chosen to go to heaven. Because God is love and don't want human go to hell.
You gone off talking about something else.
 

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It is most interesting that you will hang your hat on a single verse that you think helps you but will deny 40 + that say man is saved by faith or through faith. You should really stop cutting up your bible that way. TYou need to trust the whole of scripture.
Im hanging my hat as you say on the word of God !
 

brightfame52

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Calvin is so loud for a dead person who was shocked when he found out he did not make the cut

unrepentant scheming and murder is not given to salvation. David repented, when confronted and confronted because God loved him, but Calvin? I'm thinking not so much

Calvinists have come a courtin' in this forum over and over and always the same lines....zzzzzzzzzzz :sleep:
Paul wrote Romans 9 by the inspiration of the Spirit long before calvin came into existense.
 

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yes. and for that reason, He sent His only Son to die so that whosoever will might believe in Him and have eternal life. John 3:16

Thank God.
This is about Gods unconditional election !
 
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Paul wrote Romans 9 by the inspiration of the Spirit long before calvin came into existense.
Yep

actually he wrote 9-11. Concerning gods chosing of Israel

not concerning his chosing is f you induvidual people