Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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Duckybill

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The you are saved by works, Not grace.
Rom 11: 6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

You can;t have it both ways my friend,

Scripture must agree, not contradict itself.
You don't even know that Christianity is a works religion? Oh my!

James 2:17 (NKJV)
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
 

Duckybill

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So never die does not mean never die
Eternal life does not mean eternal life
Live forever does not mean live forever

rom 11 was written to gentiles as a group. They they can be cut off.. and the natural branches (isreal) can be grafted back in, not induviduals.

Your tryign to hear man, Open your heart and let God in.
OSASers can't help judging non OSASers as unsaved!
 

Everlasting-Grace

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You don't even know that Christianity is a works religion? Oh my!

James 2:17 (NKJV)
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James did not contradict Paul. Who said the oppositeJames spoke to licentious people who CLAIMED to have faith, yet they had no works..

He asked the same question I would ask, Can that CLAIMED FAITH save them?

No. Mere belief never saved anyone

true faith is what saved, and true faith is NEVER devoid of works.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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OSASers can't help judging non OSASers as unsaved!
Yet again, you can not respond to my post.

I never judged you. I just stated a fact.. Only God can judge

you want to judge me, tell me why eternal life is not eternal. Tell me why when God said I will never die, I can still die. When God said I will be raised why I still may not be raised.

based on my work or lack of. And not his work and his promise]

feel free to tell me.
 

Duckybill

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James did not contradict Paul. Who said the oppositeJames spoke to licentious people who CLAIMED to have faith, yet they had no works..

He asked the same question I would ask, Can that CLAIMED FAITH save them?

No. Mere belief never saved anyone

true faith is what saved, and true faith is NEVER devoid of works.
James 2:17 (NKJV)
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Christianity is a works religion, produced by Christian Faith!
 

Duckybill

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Yet again, you can not respond to my post.

I never judged you. I just stated a fact.. Only God can judge

you want to judge me, tell me why eternal life is not eternal. Tell me why when God said I will never die, I can still die. When God said I will be raised why I still may not be raised.

based on my work or lack of. And not his work and his promise]

feel free to tell me.
You did too judge me as unsaved!

"Open your heart and let God in."
 

Everlasting-Grace

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James 2:17 (NKJV)
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Christianity is a works religion, produced by Christian Faith!
Rom 11: 6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Romans 4: 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

James did not contradict paul my friend

Your wrong Christianity is a grace based religion. However, Grace produced works. Because those saved by it work. Just like paul said in Eph 2: 19

All james is saying is if you claim to have faith, but do not have the works paul said result from faith. Can that faith save you.

No..

he attacked licentiousness

Now you need to heed pauls warnings against legalism

Going 180 degrees the other way because you hate licentious does not help yu. You need to come to the middle. Where you find grace
 

Everlasting-Grace

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You did too judge me as unsaved!

"Open your heart and let God in."
I have to do that daily my friend..

Because I close him off sometimes..

Your to busy trying to attack me then to even listen to what I am saying to you.
 

Duckybill

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Rom 11: 6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Romans 4: 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

James did not contradict paul my friend

Your wrong Christianity is a grace based religion. However, Grace produced works. Because those saved by it work. Just like paul said in Eph 2: 19

All james is saying is if you claim to have faith, but do not have the works paul said result from faith. Can that faith save you.

No..

he attacked licentiousness

Now you need to heed pauls warnings against legalism

Going 180 degrees the other way because you hate licentious does not help yu. You need to come to the middle. Where you find grace
If you think you have Christian salvation without works Satan has deceived you!

James 2:20 (NKJV)
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
 

Duckybill

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I have to do that daily my friend..

Because I close him off sometimes..

Your to busy trying to attack me then to even listen to what I am saying to you.
Attack? That's what OSASers do all the time. Stop playing the victim.
 

Wayne1959

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"this is how white supremacy has taken root in the protestant churches, the idea of God's elect focused on the flesh, not on the work of the Cross."
Is this Obama going by CS1? Do you attend rev.wrights church?
White suprmacy? what about all the hate and violence we see from blacks,whats that called? Let me guess what we see is our racisist minds telling use that rioting and looting,burning down cities and 90% of murders commited by one race isn't real,and it's racist whte supremacist that see it that way...Also one race calling for the killing of white people,whitey,cracker,white boys etc. thats not real either?
I must be a racist white supremacist then or i'm not afraid to tell it as I see it,i'm not affraid to tell it like it is!!! Wayne
 
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Paul writing to Timothy states that it is the will of God that all people be saved. Salvation requires that God chooses to save the sinner. God will choose to save all who call on his name in sincerity. His name is the Lord Jesus. The recipient of grace must be faithful till the end. That saint will then enter into God's rest. "Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works".
 

Wayne1959

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John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
 

John146

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Does every believer always give thanks in everything? Nope, but it is the will of God.

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Is it Go’s will that believer’s sin? Do believer’s sin?
 

Everlasting-Grace

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If you think you have Christian salvation without works Satan has deceived you!

James 2:20 (NKJV)
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
If you think you will be saved because you do works.

Satan has deceived you..

I already told you whoever has faith WILL do works. So every time you keep trying to throw that passage in my face, You just keep making yourself look bad.

I love it how you refuse to look at the passages I have shown you. yet attack me as being satanic. then cry your the one being attacked.

A typical pharisee.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Attack? That's what OSASers do all the time. Stop playing the victim.
I am not a victim my friend. You can,t hurt me or touch me, You can say whatever you want

But I will expose your hypocrisy of crying you are being attacked when you attack others.,
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Paul writing to Timothy states that it is the will of God that all people be saved. Salvation requires that God chooses to save the sinner. God will choose to save all who call on his name in sincerity. His name is the Lord Jesus. The recipient of grace must be faithful till the end. That saint will then enter into God's rest. "Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works".
Faith of a mustard seed can move a mountain.

The man told Jesus, I believe, help me with my unbelief.

A person who has saving faith in God is not going to have perfect faith until the day they die. They do not have perfect faith on the day they are saved.

We are saved based on Gods promise, Not our faithfulness or ability to do good.

Lets give God the credit.

He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Not everyone will reach spiritual adulthood. Many will sadly remain babes for whatever reason.

God will keep his promise, Because it is based on his reputation. Not ours.