Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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Papermonkey

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CS1 said:
if the unconditional is continually relating to the " Elect" what is your understanding of unconditional?

IF elect means Only those who God has chosen then you have really made a mistake of Election.

the people of God are elect or known as God's elect. YET He chosen those who were not of those elected did HE not?

Did not salvation come to the gentiles who are NOT or were not the " Elect of God"?
it is one word people are making elite. This is how the Germanys killed the jews, this is how white supremacy has taken root in the protestant churches, the idea of God's elect focused on the flesh, not on the work of the Cross.

Don't take my word for it look at all those posts so far how many have even mentioned Jesus in them? elect, elect, elect, bla bla blah
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I think your argument failed when you introduced Godwin's Law.

Abraham was a Gentile.

Jesus said he had other sheep not of this fold. Knowing this means they are the Elect.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Do you not have the knowledge of spiritual Israel? All Israel is not of Israel.
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Where did you get your knowledge of "spiritual Israel"? Where is "spiritual Israel" in the Bible?

Christians aren't "spiritual Jews," or "spiritual Israel."
 
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John146 said:
I've given many example from scripture where this is not the case. Your private interpretation of one verse has created contradictions in the scriptures.
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Give me your examples, including book, chapter, and verse, and I will give you the correct interpretation of them.
 
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VARob said:
Where did you get your knowledge of "spiritual Israel"? Where is "spiritual Israel" in the Bible?

Christians aren't "spiritual Jews," or "spiritual Israel."
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god changed Jacob's name to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel. Jacob, as Israel is spiritual. All Israel is not of Israel.
 
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VARob said:
Eph 1:13; Acts 16:30-31; Rom 10:9; John 3:16; Matt 5:5; and many more.

...I know it's not possible to convince the vast majority of Calvinists that they're wrong. You never know, though.
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LOL! Now, Jesus was a Calvinist?

You forget 1 Corinthians 2:14
 
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Papermonkey

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VARob said:
Absolutely not.


No I haven't. It's been discussed to death, and forgive me, but I don't feel like going through it all over again. Maybe another time.
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That's OK.
People who see Calvanist when actual scripture is applied can explain away other things as well. Like 1 Cor. 2:14.
 
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Papermonkey said:
That's OK.
People who see Calvanist when actual scripture is applied can explain away other things as well. Like 1 Cor. 2:14.
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Believe me, I've heard all the arguments, and know all the slurs.

Nice try, though.

BTW, it's "Calvinist."
 
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Papermonkey said:
That's OK.
People who see Calvanist when actual scripture is applied can explain away other things as well. Like 1 Cor. 2:14.
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If a lost man is truly searching for the truth, the Holy Spirit will lead him to truth. See my example.
 
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VARob said:
Where did you get your knowledge of "spiritual Israel"? Where is "spiritual Israel" in the Bible?

Here:

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV] 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

[Rev 3:12 KJV] 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

[Rev 21:2 KJV] 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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VARob said:
People dead in sins who are humble can hear the gospel and decide to believe it.
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Can't happen:

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[Jhn 6:65-66 KJV]
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
 
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