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Yes, you are right John Calvin did not teach saving faith was a gift, he understood Ephesians correctly I guess his hours studying Greek had some value.
So let's have a new what to summarize this set of doctrines/tenets "Cameron's Way" and we can have "HeIsHere's CDS" way.
Anyone moving on for now to the News Section... again there is no scripture that supports limited atonement, total depravity, regeneration before salvation etc., etc.,
So let's have a new what to summarize this set of doctrines/tenets "Cameron's Way" and we can have "HeIsHere's CDS" way.
Anyone moving on for now to the News Section... again there is no scripture that supports limited atonement, total depravity, regeneration before salvation etc., etc.,
One example we have just been discussing. God has allowed Satan to blind unbelievers and exercise dominion over them. Paul says God must make the light of the understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ shine into an individual's heart before they will no longer be blinded. Hard to have a discussion with someone who denies what scripture clearly teaches.
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The way I see it, at the core of all of this is ONE tenet which is wrong and not established in scripture.... SAVING faith is a gift from God only given to some and not others.
The case is always made by a negative inference fallacy >> saving faith/belief must be gifted due to the fallen nature of man... yet Jesus and Paul never teach this, ever
Now they will say "dead in sin" "children of wrath" "blinded by Satan" etc, etc.,
They cannot prove saving faith/belief is a gift according to scripture, that is why they always build their case with indirect concepts to make the argument.
They confuse the gift of eternal life from God with the instrumentality of saving faith/belief, whereby that gift is received.
Eph 2:8-9 does not say faith is the gift from God.
In the Greek, the word for faith, pistis, is a feminine noun.
The word for “this” is touto, and it’s a neuter demonstrative pronoun.
“This” can not be referring to faith; you can’t have a neuter pronoun referring to a feminine noun.
“This” refers to the entire phrase “for by grace you have been saved through faith.” The gift that “this” refers to is salvation, not faith in this verse.
God’s grace offers the gift of salvation; it’s up to us to choose if we want to apply it to us through faith.
That is why it is “gospel”—good news. We cannot earn it, so God, in His grace, gives is to us freely. We just have to accept it by faith.
There really is no debate.
The case is always made by a negative inference fallacy >> saving faith/belief must be gifted due to the fallen nature of man... yet Jesus and Paul never teach this, ever
Now they will say "dead in sin" "children of wrath" "blinded by Satan" etc, etc.,
They cannot prove saving faith/belief is a gift according to scripture, that is why they always build their case with indirect concepts to make the argument.
They confuse the gift of eternal life from God with the instrumentality of saving faith/belief, whereby that gift is received.
Eph 2:8-9 does not say faith is the gift from God.
In the Greek, the word for faith, pistis, is a feminine noun.
The word for “this” is touto, and it’s a neuter demonstrative pronoun.
“This” can not be referring to faith; you can’t have a neuter pronoun referring to a feminine noun.
“This” refers to the entire phrase “for by grace you have been saved through faith.” The gift that “this” refers to is salvation, not faith in this verse.
God’s grace offers the gift of salvation; it’s up to us to choose if we want to apply it to us through faith.
That is why it is “gospel”—good news. We cannot earn it, so God, in His grace, gives is to us freely. We just have to accept it by faith.
There really is no debate.
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You keep denying what Scripture explicitly states.
1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
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Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself
more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to
the measure of faith God has given you.
You keep denying what Scripture explicitly states. Why???
Romans 12:3b
more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to
the measure of faith God has given you.
You keep denying what Scripture explicitly states. Why???
Romans 12:3b
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Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself
more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to
the measure of faith God has given you.
You keep denying what Scripture explicitly states. Why???
Romans 12:3b
more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to
the measure of faith God has given you.
You keep denying what Scripture explicitly states. Why???
Romans 12:3b
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