Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

[rstrats]

reneweddaybyday,
re: "...the short answer to your question 'with regard to what [ I ] believe' is as follows:"

I don't see in your following comments where you say that you have the ability to consciously choose to believe things.


re: "It is your claim that those who remain unrepentant remain so because God did not give them what is needed to repent."

You have me confused with someone else because I never said that.

 

[rstrats]

ForestGreenCook,
re: "You best be thankful that God had compassion enough to choose a people to save after seeing by his foreknowledge that none would do good, no, not one."

Does He have that knowledge before He creates a person?



re: "God would have been a just God if he had let us all burn in hell."

Why would it be "just" to torture a person night and day for eternity?

 

[notuptome]

Yes, God has mercy, when he saw, by his foreknowledge, that none would seek him and that we were all become filthy and none were good, no, not one. He choose a people before the foundation of the world and had his Son die for their sins and make them holy and without blame. If he had not had mercy we all would have gone to hell.

Such a capricious statement makes one wonder if you personally know of the mercy of God.

By your logic God would have been even more merciful if He had not created man. There is no mercy for the angels of heaven that left their first estate and were cast out of heaven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I don't see in your following comments where you say that you have the ability to consciously choose to believe things.

I believe God has provided to all mankind that which is needed [faith] to respond to Him.

God tells us faith by hearing and hearing by Word of God (Rom 10:17). When we hear the word of God and we do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness God then brings increase in our hearts (1 Cor 3:6) and our faith is strengthened.

When we hear the word of God and we do suppress the truth in unrighteousness, our faith remains weak.


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When you reply in this manner, it makes it much easier to follow a conversation because there is a link back to prior posts submitted in the discussion.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes, man rejects God. And mankind rejecting God in no way affects God's sovereignty, nor does it limit God's power.

Your insistence that God's power is limited because it is His desire that all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4) and yet we know some will be cast into the lake of fire does not equal God's power being limited. It just reveals your inability to comprehend the all-encompassing love of God and His desire that those who reject Him would not reject so that they also could be with Him in new heaven new earth.

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[/QUO John 17:2, As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou has given him. So, do you believe that he has power over "ALL" flesh, or not? Rom 9:21, Hath not the potter power over the clay? Until you understand that saved means delivered and we receive deliverance many times here on earth, you will never understand the doctrine of Christ. I have told you many times that there is a deliverance we receive here in time when the child of God "comes unto the knowledge of the truth".

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Such a capricious statement makes one wonder if you personally know of the mercy of God.

By your logic God would have been even more merciful if He had not created man. There is no mercy for the angels of heaven that left their first estate and were cast out of heaven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

There are many things about why God does or does not do things that you or I will never know. His ways are above our ways.

 

[notuptome]

There are many things about why God does or does not do things that you or I will never know. His ways are above our ways.

Yet God has given us His word that we might have the mind of Christ.

What a heavy burden you bear being the only soul to know the truth at least as you perceive it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yet God has given us His word that we might have the mind of Christ.

What a heavy burden you bear being the only soul to know the truth at least as you perceive it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Rom 11:33-34, O the depth of his riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgements, and his ways past finding out!
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? We have the imputed righteousness of Christ.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

John 17:2, As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou has given him. So, do you believe that he has power over "ALL" flesh, or not? Rom 9:21, Hath not the potter power over the clay? Until you understand that saved means delivered and we receive deliverance many times here on earth, you will never understand the doctrine of Christ. I have told you many times that there is a deliverance we receive here in time when the child of God "comes unto the knowledge of the truth".

your statement does not address the issue.

God can desire to save all and yet allow those who reject Him to not be saved.

Mans rejection of God does not equal God not desiring all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

[notuptome]

There are many things about why God does or does not do things that you or I will never know. His ways are above our ways.

Yet God gave us His word that we might have the mind of Christ. God gave His word that we might teach the world of their need to be saved from their sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

ForestGreenCook,
re: "You best be thankful that God had compassion enough to choose a people to save after seeing by his foreknowledge that none would do good, no, not one."

Does He have that knowledge before He creates a person?



re: "God would have been a just God if he had let us all burn in hell."

Why would it be "just" to torture a person night and day for eternity?

Adam willfully sinned, God did not make him sin. The penalty of sin is death from fellowship with God and doomed for a fiery hell. It was not God's fault that Adam sinned therefore God would have been just to have not chosen some for his Son to save. God has all foreknowledge. There are many things that we do not understand of why God does or does not do, because his ways are past our finding out.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

your statement does not address the issue.

God can desire to save all and yet allow those who reject Him to not be saved.

Mans rejection of God does not equal God not desiring all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

You are still applying the "all men" to "all mankind" and the "saved" to eternal, and not to a deliverance here in time. You are affirming that God desires all mankind to be eternally saved and man keeps him from fulfilling his desire. That just does not describe an all powerful God to me, that accomplishes all of his will, unless it is his will that men reject him. Is that his will?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yet God gave us His word that we might have the mind of Christ. God gave His word that we might teach the world of their need to be saved from their sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We are adopted children of God. Jesus paid the adoption price for those that God gave him on the cross and he said that it was finished, All the eternal saving that is going to be done was done on the cross. There has not been one soul saved eternally sense that time. All of those that Jesus died for will, at sometime in their life here , be regenerated by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit before Jesus comes back to take us home for the final phase of the adoption.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You are affirming that God desires all mankind to be eternally saved and man keeps him from fulfilling his desire. That just does not describe an all powerful God to me, that accomplishes all of his will, unless it is his will that men reject him. Is that his will?

What was God's will when He told Adam to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen 2:17)?

Was it God's will that Adam eat? Because that's what Adam did, so it must have been God's will.

If it was God's will that Adam eat, then why did God tell Adam not to eat in Gen 2:17?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Responding to the the Title of the OP:

Why I believe that God loves his created mankind and is not willing that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

• “For God so loved the world…” John 3:16. This is the intensity of the loved of God that he “so loved” God’s love is so great for it characterize his very own nation “for God is love…”
• 1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
• 1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. This love is limitless, it has no measure. It’s scope is the “world” which is reference to “mankind” as his creation. The very first man Adam sinned and death passed to ALL men for that “All have sinned.Romans 5:12 “For ALL have sinned” Romans 3:23 with no single exception. Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
• Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
• But praise God, though” All have sinned” ,” all under sin” and Romans 5:6 “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.” Romans 5:8 says “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” This ungodly refers to the sinners without any single exception for Jesus died for ALL men with no single exception 1 John 2:2 and that Jesus is the Saviour of the world. His grace appeared to All men with no single exception.
• Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
• Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: God is commanding all men every where (All pla ces) but it so sad not all beleiveth, not all received the Gospel. Others believed, others rejected Christ.

If Jesus died for all men, as you say, then why are not all men going to heaven, because Jesus said that all he died for that he would not lose any of them but raise all of them up at the last day (John 6:38).? Yes, he died for the ungodly, and that was his elect who were ungodly before he regenerated them (Eph 2:5). Yes, all have sinned, and that is why God chose some before the foundation of the world, otherwise we would all have gone to hell. God chastens those that he loves, but he does not chasten those that he does not love(Ps 73:5, They(talking about the wicked) are not PLAGUED=divinely punished as other men.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What was God's will when He told Adam to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen 2:17)?

Was it God's will that Adam eat? Because that's what Adam did, so it must have been God's will.

If it was God's will that Adam eat, then why did God tell Adam not to eat in Gen 2:17?

I have told you before, that God has given a free will to man to live his live here on earth as he wants, that is why we have to repent so much because man makes bad decisions. But God chooses man's eternal salvation without the help of man. I guess you forgot and I had to repeat myself. God tells us not to do many things in this life, but we do.

 

[rstrats]

ForestGreenCook,

Why in your post #471 did you quote my question to you and then talk about something else?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

your statement does not address the issue.

God can desire to save all and yet allow those who reject Him to not be saved.

Mans rejection of God does not equal God not desiring all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

If God has all power, and he does, why would he let man reject him. Does he give them more power than he has. Can you see how that does not make sense? If God accomplishes all of his will and his will is that all men be saved and all men are not, then it must be his will that all men not be saved. Any way you look at it does not sound like God knows what he is doing in your interpretation of the scriptures. I fail to see that your interpretation of the scriptures harmonize. How can man reject him if God wants to save him and none can stay his hand?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

ForestGreenCook,

Why in your post #471 did you quote my question to you and then talk about something else?

I thought I answered your question. You ask "Does he have that knowledge before he created man?" And my answer was "He has All foreknowledge" If this does not answer it, let me know.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

How can man reject him

As revealed in Rom 1:18, man suppresses the truth in unrighteousness.

Adam and Eve rejected the truth in unrighteousness;

Cain rejected the truth in unrighteousness; etc. etc.

Abel did not suppress the truth in unrighteousness; Seth did not suppress the truth in unrighteousness; Noah did not suppress the truth in unrighteousness; etc. etc.

You limit the power of God. You do not believe the sacrifice of His Son was sufficient. However, Scripture tells us He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).