Does Grace replace the law?

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So you are not under the law of truth?

Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth. Ps 31:5

Is that because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be?

We're under law to Christ, not Moses

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (not being lawless to God, but lawful to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21​

 

[Inquisitor]

AI Overview



Jews today follow Mosaic laws (Torah commandments or mitzvot) that are applicable outside of the ancient Temple, totaling roughly 271 positive and 365 negative precepts, though interpretation varies by denomination. Core practices include observing the Ten Commandments, keeping kosher, observing Shabbat, and honoring ethical laws like charity and respecting others.
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Key Mosaic Laws Observed Today

• Ethical & Moral Laws: These are central to daily life, including the obligation to love one's neighbor, avoid slandering, respect elders, and give charity (Tzedakah).
• Dietary Laws (Kashrut): Adhering to laws regarding permissible foods, separating meat and dairy, and consuming only ritually slaughtered meat.
• Sabbath and Holidays: Resting on the seventh day (Shabbat), lighting candles, and observing festivals like Passover, Sukkot, and Shavuot.
• Ritual Practices: Wearing fringes (tzitzit), fixing a mezuzah on doorposts, and wearing phylacteries (tefillin) during morning prayers.
• Family Purity Laws: Laws concerning marriage, forbidden relationships, and ritual immersion in a mikveh.
  Judaism 101 (JewFAQ) +4

Differences in Observance

• Orthodox Judaism: Holds all 613 commandments and rabbinic laws (Halakha) as divine and binding.
• Conservative Judaism: Views halakha as binding but evolving, often adjusting interpretations for modern life.
• Reform Judaism: Views the laws as non-binding, emphasizing personal choice and the ethical, rather than ritual, commandments.
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Without the Temple in Jerusalem, laws related to sacrifices, purity rituals, and certain agricultural laws within Israel cannot be fully observed

So is Israel a theocracy or a democratic country?

 

[Inquisitor]

was the law abolished? can you be lead b the Holy Spirit to follow the Law Jesus said would never pass until heaven and earth pass away?

Your talking about the people under the law, the Jews.

The Gentiles were never under the law of Moses because the scripture says so.

You ignore so much in the scripture.

Israel was in a blood, conditional covenant with God to obey the law.

Exodus 24, is the only conditional covenant in the scripture.

The Gentile nations were not the covenant people only Israel was the covenant nation.

The Gentile nations were under the law of Noah.

Does that old covenant still apply to the Jews?

Definitely not, because Jesus initialized a new covenant in His blood, not the blood of a bull.

You ignore so much in the scripture in order to highlight a fraction of the Mosaic law.

Whether the law was abolished or not has no real meaning in Christianity because salvation, is dependent
on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Why do you concern yourself with the covenant in Exodus 24?

 

[Inquisitor]

AI Overview



Jews today follow Mosaic laws (Torah commandments or mitzvot) that are applicable outside of the ancient Temple, totaling roughly 271 positive and 365 negative precepts, though interpretation varies by denomination. Core practices include observing the Ten Commandments, keeping kosher, observing Shabbat, and honoring ethical laws like charity and respecting others.
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Key Mosaic Laws Observed Today

• Ethical & Moral Laws: These are central to daily life, including the obligation to love one's neighbor, avoid slandering, respect elders, and give charity (Tzedakah).
• Dietary Laws (Kashrut): Adhering to laws regarding permissible foods, separating meat and dairy, and consuming only ritually slaughtered meat.
• Sabbath and Holidays: Resting on the seventh day (Shabbat), lighting candles, and observing festivals like Passover, Sukkot, and Shavuot.
• Ritual Practices: Wearing fringes (tzitzit), fixing a mezuzah on doorposts, and wearing phylacteries (tefillin) during morning prayers.
• Family Purity Laws: Laws concerning marriage, forbidden relationships, and ritual immersion in a mikveh.
  Judaism 101 (JewFAQ) +4

Differences in Observance

• Orthodox Judaism: Holds all 613 commandments and rabbinic laws (Halakha) as divine and binding.
• Conservative Judaism: Views halakha as binding but evolving, often adjusting interpretations for modern life.
• Reform Judaism: Views the laws as non-binding, emphasizing personal choice and the ethical, rather than ritual, commandments.
  Wikipedia

Without the Temple in Jerusalem, laws related to sacrifices, purity rituals, and certain agricultural laws within Israel cannot be fully observed

Only 40% of the population in Israel believe in God.

Out of those that believe in God it would be a far lower percentage that strictly obey the law (Orthodox).

Probably around 14% of the population in Israel would be Orthodox Jews.

We are in 2026 now not the first century.

 

[Inquisitor]

AI Overview



Jews today follow Mosaic laws (Torah commandments or mitzvot) that are applicable outside of the ancient Temple, totaling roughly 271 positive and 365 negative precepts, though interpretation varies by denomination. Core practices include observing the Ten Commandments, keeping kosher, observing Shabbat, and honoring ethical laws like charity and respecting others.
Study.com +4
Key Mosaic Laws Observed Today

• Ethical & Moral Laws: These are central to daily life, including the obligation to love one's neighbor, avoid slandering, respect elders, and give charity (Tzedakah).
• Dietary Laws (Kashrut): Adhering to laws regarding permissible foods, separating meat and dairy, and consuming only ritually slaughtered meat.
• Sabbath and Holidays: Resting on the seventh day (Shabbat), lighting candles, and observing festivals like Passover, Sukkot, and Shavuot.
• Ritual Practices: Wearing fringes (tzitzit), fixing a mezuzah on doorposts, and wearing phylacteries (tefillin) during morning prayers.
• Family Purity Laws: Laws concerning marriage, forbidden relationships, and ritual immersion in a mikveh.
  Judaism 101 (JewFAQ) +4

Differences in Observance

• Orthodox Judaism: Holds all 613 commandments and rabbinic laws (Halakha) as divine and binding.
• Conservative Judaism: Views halakha as binding but evolving, often adjusting interpretations for modern life.
• Reform Judaism: Views the laws as non-binding, emphasizing personal choice and the ethical, rather than ritual, commandments.
  Wikipedia

Without the Temple in Jerusalem, laws related to sacrifices, purity rituals, and certain agricultural laws within Israel cannot be fully observed

Ask AI whether modern Israel is under the law of Moses.

No, the modern State of Israel is a secular democracy and does not follow the Law of Moses (the Mosaic Covenant) as its legal code. While Jewish law (Halakha) influences some aspects of life, such as marriage and dietary laws, it is not a theocracy governed by Old Testament laws.

 

[Inquisitor]

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 3:31

Do not read Romans out of the embedded context.

Paul establishes the law to demolish the Jewish legal foundation for righteousness before the law.

Read the next chapter.

Romans 4:13-15
It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir
of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who depend on the law
are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath.
And where there is no law there is no transgression.

Righteousness delivered by faith not any righteousness derived by obedience to the law.

The law delivers wrath.

 

[Inquisitor]

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required.

To be saved?

Yes, the gospel of Jesus Christ is all about the grace of God and nothing else.

The gospel of grace from start to finish.

Salvation is a free gift given to anyone who calls on the name of the Lord.

Romans 10:13
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Is that a true statement or is it a lie?

Is your salvation dependent on your obedience or Christ's sacrifice, that is the fundamental question!

We are talking exclusively how a person can be saved not about a lukewarm response to Jesus.

You must be straight as an arrow when discussing the gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

 

[Inquisitor]

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.

No Christian denies that we must live a Christian life.

You are so confused.

Salvation is a free gift and remains so throughout history and the new covenant is not a conditional
covenant based on your obedience. If the new covenant was conditional on your obedience, then
I guarantee you, that no one would be saved.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is about what Christ did for us and not about about vassal's obedience.

Are you boasting in your own worthiness because of your assumed obedience?

Are you boasting in the Lord Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit?

Your wires are crossed and you unfortunately are imposing your obedience onto the gospel
of Jesus Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

Does Grace replace the law?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Jews today follow Mosaic laws (Torah commandments or mitzvot)

This is a myth. Only the Karaite Jews do this. All others except atheists follow the rabbis and Talmud to varying degrees.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

We're under law to Christ, not Moses

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (not being lawless to God, but lawful to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21​

In the KJV it reads (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) Since Jesus said "I and my Father are one." John 10:30
then doesn't that infer by implication that the things the LORD said in the OT still be required if "not being lawless to God" ?

I don't know how you interpret the testimony of the LORD regarding what to eat or not to eat in the OT but would it be lawful to Christ for one to eat fowls that creep, going upon all four, under the law of Christ?

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Paul establishes the law to demolish the Jewish legal foundation for righteousness before the law.

Of course you are familiar with Acts 22:25-29?

And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned? 26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman. 27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea. 28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born. 29 Then straightway they departed from him which should have examined him: and the chief captain also was afraid, after he knew that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him.

A free born Roman was one born to progenitors who were both born free born Romans with a long, long lineage of being free born Romans. While a freeman Roman were set at liberty, they were not free born Romans.

 

[Soyeong]

Does Grace replace the law?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, works can be done for reasons that are compatible with grace. For example, a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to experience driving it, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of God is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3).

In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith.

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, being made to experience being a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of God is nevertheless a central part of His gift of salvation.

In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in obedience to the Law of God in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather we are intrinsically required to be a doer of those works because God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of them is part of the content of His gift of salvation.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Jesus fulfilled the law so our hope is no longer in the written code but in Him. That doesn't mean we throw the Tanakh out the window, it just means our relationship to is different than it was before Christ.

" . . . having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." Colossians 2:14

 

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Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

We cannot replace the law for it is spiritual.

Jesus told the rich man to inherit eternal life keep the commandments.

Paul said we do not void out the law.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin, and does not want sin, and allows the Spirit to lead them will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

They are not under the law which means the law cannot touch them for persecution.

If we hold on to sin we are under the law until we repent and allow the Spirit to lead us.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

People that say they cannot abstain from sin are holding on to sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash away their sin.

And they are under the law.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Some people do not allow the Spirit to lead them for they will not let go of the flesh.

And love sin more than God and do not come to the truth.

They are under the law but they will say they are not.

And say they cannot abstain from sin.

And will say they cannot fall.

And will say God chose them without their choice.

And will say faith alone when charity is greater than faith and faith works by love.

Which they lack love for they love sin more than God and loves does not think an evil thought and does not rejoice iniquity.

Well what do you expect they do not come to the truth.

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

It is correctable if they would acknowledge the truth.

 

[Soyeong]

Jesus fulfilled the law so our hope is no longer in the written code but in Him. That doesn't mean we throw the Tanakh out the window, it just means our relationship to is different than it was before Christ.

Jesus fulfilled the law by teaching us how to correctly obey it. It is contradictory to put our hope in God's Word made flesh instead of putting our hope following his example of embodying God's Word.

" . . . having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." Colossians 2:14

In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance that was against Christ to his cross, which fits perfectly with the concept of the handwritten ordinance that was the charge that was against us being nailed to Christ's cross instead and with him dying in our place in order to pay the penalty of our sins, but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross so that we can be free to become doers of what they reveal to be sin. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of God but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

 

[Soyeong]

Grace replaces being under the law

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Romans 6:14-15​

Paul said that the Law of God is the good that he wanted to do while the law of sin is what was hindering him from doing the good that he wanted to do. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over him, which does not describe the Law of God the is the good that he wanted to do, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful but how we know what sin is, so we are still under the Law of God but are not under the law of sin. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, which is why Paul said that being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to transgress it.

We're under law to Christ, not Moses

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (not being lawless to God, but lawful to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21​

Paul used a parallel statement to equated not being outside the Law of God with being under the Law of Christ, so he equated the two. Christ said that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4), so there is no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is not in perfect accordance with every word that comes from the mouth of God.

This is a myth. Only the Karaite Jews do this. All others except atheists follow the rabbis and Talmud to varying degrees.

The purpose of the Talmud is to interpret the Law of Moses. Most Christians could agree with many of the interpretations in the Talmud without considering it to be an authoritative source. Rabbinic Jews interpret the Law of Moses differently than Karaite Jews, but it is not as though they are following something other than the Law of Moses. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13, it gives authority to priests and judges to make rulings about how to correctly obey the Law of Moses that the community was obligated to obey, which is the basis for the Talmud.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Jesus fulfilled the law by teaching us how to correctly obey it. It is contradictory to put our hope in God's Word made flesh instead of putting our hope following his example of embodying God's Word.


In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance that was against Christ to his cross, which fits perfectly with the concept of the handwritten ordinance that was the charge that was against us being nailed to Christ's cross instead and with him dying in our place in order to pay the penalty of our sins, but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross so that we can be free to become doers of what they reveal to be sin. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of God but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

I only listen to sound teaching. What you're saying isn't sound; it's more like something you made up.

 

[Lovette]

No, grace complements the law. Sin is like disease, law is like diagnosis, grace is like treatment. Diagnosis alone cannot mitigate the disease, it could probably make you sicker by worrying, but you can't be treated correctly without being diagnosed correctly.

 

[GWH]

So you are not under the law of truth?

Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth. Ps 31:5

Is that because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be?

When Paul refers to the "Law", he means the OT Torah and the belief that salvation is obtained via obeying it (Gal. 2:16, Eph. 2:15, etc.).
When Paul refers to the "Truth", he means the NT Gospel and the belief that salvation is obtained via faith in Jesus as Messiah & Lord (Gal. 2:5, Eph. 1:13, etc.).