Does Grace replace the law?

[UnoiAmarah]

How could anyone even think for one moment that the old covenant law is eternal?

You said the law of Christ is eternal, do you know what eternal means?

 

[Gideon300]

was the law abolished? can you be lead b the Holy Spirit to follow the Law Jesus said would never pass until heaven and earth pass away?

You do not understand the gospel at all. The law applies to those who are alive. Those who are born again are dead to the law. Who would take a dead man to court, even if he murdered someone? Now those who are born again are crucified with Christ. The law no longer applies.

I moved to Australia as a teenager. I'm English by birth. The laws of England do not apply to me. If I moved back there, they would apply again. I am in Christ and Christ is in me. I now life by His faith, I am saved moment by moment by His grace and I live in the power of His resurrection life. I have a new law to go by. It is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. My citizenship is in heaven, not on this earth.

Do you not know why God permitted the destruction of His holy temple? It is because the temple is now the body of Christ. The dwelling place of God is in the heart of the believer, not something made by human hands.

Ephesians 2: 14 - 16
For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He put to death their hostility.

So the answer to your question is yes, the law was abolished.

 

[Inquisitor]

You said the law of Christ is eternal, do you know what eternal means?

Yes I do.

The law to love others was in the beginning and is foundational in the kingdom of heaven.

You understand that Cain killed Abel because Cain did not love his brother.

1 John 3:11
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;
not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother.

The Torah is based on love and the Torah describes the penalty for all transgression of the golden rule.
The law of freedom, the royal law, the law of Christ, the sole reason that Jesus gave His life for us.

In love the creation came forth.

In a truly great love for us Jesus gave His sacrificial life for us.

Love is eternal and God is love but the entire law was temporary until Jesus arrived.

 

[Gideon300]

You said the law of Christ is eternal, do you know what eternal means?

Do you know what the Law of Christ is? Hint: it's not the law of Moses.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Maybe you have a different Bible, but mine says that believers are righteous by faith, not by law. (Galatians 5:5) If you are still bound to the law then you are unrighteous and you are not saved.

I was saved by my hope in the LORD, the God of truth.

My Bible says that he who comes to God must believe he is, and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him. Believing that you are righteous by believing in God, then what reward is there in seeking if you are righteous simply by believing you are. Hopefully when you sincerely seek him, you will hear the God of truth ask you how do you think you can come to him unless he comes to you first.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: Prov 6:23

 

[ResidentAlien]

Seems to me some make the error of nailing the law to the cross of Christ , actually it was the sins of breaking the law that where nailed to the cross.

Except the text doesn't say that. It says the handwritten ordinances were nailed to the cross.

 

[BBerean]

Except the text doesn't say that. It says the handwritten ordinances were nailed to the cross.

That are against the person that would be sin . Not the law itself . Think about it if the law was nailed to the cross there is no such thing as sin . It would be total lawlessness! When the books are opened in the judgment day they are things written against the individual!

 

[ResidentAlien]

"Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate." 1 Timothy 1:9

We who believe are righteous persons, not lawless or insubordinate. We have been made righteous through faith in Christ.

"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe." Romans 3:21-22

 

[BBerean]

"Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate." 1 Timothy 1:9

We who believe are righteous persons, not lawless or insubordinate. We have been made righteous through faith in Christ.

"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe." Romans 3:21-22

“ being witnessed by the Law and Prophets “ Amen ! Romans 3:21 -22

 

[ResidentAlien]

“ being witnessed by the Law and Prophets “ Amen ! Romans 3:21 -22

What's is witnessed by the Law and Prophets? The righteousness of God apart from the law.

 

[BBerean]

What's is witnessed by the Law and Prophets? The righteousness of God apart from the law.

Everything. End of discussion.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets," Romans 3:21

 

[Gideon300]

I was saved by my hope in the LORD, the God of truth.

My Bible says that he who comes to God must believe he is, and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him. Believing that you are righteous by believing in God, then what reward is there in seeking if you are righteous simply by believing you are. Hopefully when you sincerely seek him, you will hear the God of truth ask you how do you think you can come to him unless he comes to you first.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: Prov 6:23

You reveal your ignorance by reverting to the Old Testament. If the OT was enough, Jesus died for nothing. If the OT was enough, we would not need the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth. True believers are new creations in Christ. The nation of Israel was under the Law. It did nothing for them except expose their sinful nature. For believers, there is a new Law, the Law of the Spirit of life.

It does not say that all who are led by the Law of Moses are the Children of God. Look up Romans 8:14 and see what it says there.

 

[BBerean]

Does Grace replace the law?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

The “Law is our schoolmaster “ that brings us to the Grace of God . Said the Apostle Paul . Sin and failure should promote repentance, and it’s God that leads us in repentance to Christ and forgiveness which is the grace of God . Without Gods work in our lives we are hopelessly lost . Jesus said no man can come to me except the father draw them to him . So Law and Grace work together to bring the sinners into the Kingdom of God . The only thing we can do is seek the mercy of God and he will start working to bring you to his Salvation if he has mercy on us . He said I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , it’s not a free will thing . John the Baptist said no man can receive anything except God give it to him . God will have mercy over judgement so seeking his mercy is a good thing to do , and if done humbly, King David said God will not despise their prayer of humility, but God does resist the proud . A few thoughts on the original question. Grace and Law work together , they don’t oppose each other they originate from the One God .

 

[GWH]

The “Law is our schoolmaster “ that brings us to the Grace of God . Said the Apostle Paul . Sin and failure should promote repentance, and it’s God that leads us in repentance to Christ and forgiveness which is the grace of God . Without Gods work in our lives we are hopelessly lost . Jesus said no man can come to me except the father draw them to him . So Law and Grace work together to bring the sinners into the Kingdom of God . The only thing we can do is seek the mercy of God and he will start working to bring you to his Salvation if he has mercy on us . He said I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , it’s not a free will thing . John the Baptist said no man can receive anything except God give it to him . God will have mercy over judgement so seeking his mercy is a good thing to do , and if done humbly, King David said God will not despise their prayer of humility, but God does resist the proud . A few thoughts on the original question. Grace and Law work together , they don’t oppose each other they originate from the One God .

Please allow me to clarify your statement, which begins well by saying that
"sin and failure should promote repentance, and it’s God that leads us in repentance to Christ and forgiveness which is the grace of God. Without God's work in our lives we are hopelessly lost. Jesus said no man can come to me except the father draw them to him. So Law and Grace work together to bring the sinners into the Kingdom of God. The only thing we can do is seek the mercy of God and he will start working to bring you to his Salvation..."

So far, so good, but then you derailed by saying "if he has mercy on us." IF should not be applied to God's will, but rather to sinners' MFW: IF sinners choose to repent, then God will have mercy on them (Heb. 11:6).

And re "He said I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy": Yes, and God desires to have mercy on everyone (1Tim. 2:3-4).

Re "it’s not a free will thing": If it were not for MFW, God would make everyone be saved (Matt. 23:37).

Re "John the Baptist said no man can receive anything except God give it to him." No, but John the Apostle said God will give eternal life to every man who believes in Jesus as Messiah (John 3:16, 6:29, 10:7-10, etc.)

Re "God will have mercy over judgement so seeking his mercy is a good thing to do": Yes, and he who seeks will find (Matt. 7:7).

God so loves the world.

 

[dkontner]

It was the Lord's grace and mercy that saved me. Period. I was there, I should know.

 

[SACREDWARRIOR]

It seems to me what you are referring to is known as CHEAP GRACE, say a special prayer and your in forever no matter what... thats nonsense!! at a church I attended there was a saying that said, "A FAITH THAT HASN'T CHANGED YOU, HASN'T SAVED YOU!!!"

 

[GWH]

It seems to me what you are referring to is known as CHEAP GRACE, say a special prayer and your in forever no matter what... thats nonsense!! at a church I attended there was a saying that said, "A FAITH THAT HASN'T CHANGED YOU, HASN'T SAVED YOU!!!"

Grace cost God/Father His life in/as Christ/Son.
(John 3:16)

 

[Soyeong]

Except the text doesn't say that. It says the handwritten ordinances were nailed to the cross.

There is a difference between these two statements:

1.) You shall not commit murder.

2,) This person has been found guilty of having committed murder.

The first is an example of a law that is for our own good and while the second is an example of a handwritten ordinance that was against someone that was nailed to someone’s cross. If the first type was what had been nailed to Christ’s cross, then that would mean that Christ went to the cross in order to set us free to become doers of what the Law of God has revealed to be sin, but the second type being nailed to Christ’s cross means that he went to the cross in order to pay the penalty for our sins. Which one do you think that Christ went to the cross to accomplish?

 

[Gideon300]

There is a difference between these two statements:

1.) You shall not commit murder.

2,) This person has been found guilty of having committed murder.

The first is an example of a law that is for our own good and while the second is an example of a handwritten ordinance that was against someone that was nailed to someone’s cross. If the first type was what had been nailed to Christ’s cross, then that would mean that Christ went to the cross in order to set us free to become doers of what the Law of God has revealed to be sin, but the second type being nailed to Christ’s cross means that he went to the cross in order to pay the penalty for our sins. Which one do you think that Christ went to the cross to accomplish?

Jesus went to the cross to kill you, the sinner. SDA has no concept of this truth. It does not matter if you are a good sinner or an evil sinner, all have sinned and fall short of God's glory.

Those who are born again are dead to the law.

"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God." Galatians 2:19

If you took your EG White glasses off, you would understand. Tell me what use is Law is to a dead man? In what court is a dead man tried? Even if he's guilty, the case never goes to court. I am not judged by the Law. God does not even see me apart from Christ. I died and my life is hidden in Christ with God. I'm risen right now to new life in Christ. The law of Moses no longer applies.