Jesus didn't run away from the temple the first time,by the way.
Again, before you attempt to teach what the bible says, perhaps you should refamiliarize yourself with it actually says:
John 8:59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
Do you really think i was just making stuff up, and you where just going to be able to call my bluff?? Bro, you have access to google. I suggest you check your facts before posting your 'feeling.' This will save you from future 'miss-understanding and the embarrassment of 'calling something out that is clearly taught in the bible.
They had no right to execute anyone on or off temple grounds. They were under Roman rule.
If you disagree,prove your claim.
In first-century Judea, the power of life and death rested firmly in Roman hands. The province was under the rule of the Roman prefect. At the time, it was Pontius Pilate, the Hitler of the ancient world, who murdered some 250,000 Jews, largely without any judicial proceeding, and was ultimately recalled by the Emperor Tiberius due to his cruelty. For even the Romans to see someone as an evil murderer is simply astounding. Jewish authorities did not possess the legal authority to carry out executions for political crimes, especially those perceived as threats to Roman order or an act of insurrection against Ceasar, of which Jesus was directly accused.
Jesus was executed as a political dissident. The charge placed above his head on the cross — “King of the Jews” — was not a theological statement. It was a political accusation. Rome did not crucify people for blasphemy. Rome crucified people for sedition.
Pontius Pilate: The man who ordered the execution
The Gospels themselves, when read carefully and without theological distortion, make clear who carried out the execution: Pontius Pilate, the Roman proconsul.
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That's right. Rome would not allow executions on or off temple grounds.
Again as previously established in John 8 the Priest attempted to stone Jesus on temple grounds:
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[<a href="
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john 8&version=ESV#fen-ESV-26427d" title="See footnote d">d</a>] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
That's what happened at the last supper. Jesus told Judas to go and do what he had to do.
Jesus knew Satan was within Judas the first time.
So? Satan like Judas or anyone else in that room all serve God.
Judas served God's will. Judas was part of those who participated so to have him crucified.
So does Satan. So did Pilate, The Pharisees and the Sadducees, and even the roman soldiers who tortured Jesus and nailed Him to the cross. That said it does not mean any or all of these people are saved just because they serve God. Again Satan serves God, read the book of Job. Do you think satan is saved just because He serves God? Like you said God does what He wants.
Yes,which tells you he knew Judas was again possessed. And doing a God planned.
Irrelevant.
Jesus announced their feet for the service and that's when they were anointed Apostles.
While The disciples were commissioned by Jesus to become apostles during his earthly ministry. This is notably seen in the
Synoptic Gospels where Jesus sends out the 12 apostles with specific instructions and authority to preach, heal, and cast out demons (e.g., Mark 6:7-13; Matthew 10:1-5; Luke 9:1-6).
The most definitive transition of the disciples to apostles occurs after the resurrection of Jesus. In what is known as the
"Great Commission" (Mt 28:16-20), the risen Jesus appears to his 11 remaining disciples and commissions them to go and make disciples of all nations.
This event marks
their full transformation into apostles, as they are sent out to the entire world with the authority of Jesus.
Explore the pivotal roles and distinctions in the Apostles vs. Disciples dynamic within early Christianity, unraveling their historical significance and impact on the foundations of Christianity.
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So while the disciples where 'sent out on several missionary journeys after the foot washing you mention during the ministry of Christ Mark 6, Mat 10, Luke 9) they where still referred to as disciples up until the great commission just before He ascended into Heaven. From that point forward they where never referred to as disciples again. This event/Great commission was their official transition to apostles. Which again happened after the suicide of Judas.
You missed the definition of Apostle.
You missed the point I made that demonstrates that the apostles where referred to by Jesus as 'disciples'/students up until He returned to Heaven.
Ah,so by that reasoning Satan entered Eden because God was not present within his own creation?
You understand the parable of the demon possessed house was told by Jesus to describe how Demons can come to possess people who do not have the Holy Spirit occupying them? You are literally arguing with how Christ described demon possession being possible for those who do not have the Holy Spirit with in them.
Judas' possession was only possible because his 'house' was empty. Judas did not possess the Holy Spirit, meaning He was never saved.
You mean, God could do something like make a rule that says if the Holy Spirit does not dewell with in you satan has the ability to enter and possess you? Imagine that! Now See how well that principle works with someone who like Judas who was healed/made right by Christ but was not in dwelt with the Holy Spirit, could still be taken by satan, despite being call and made clean by Jesus Himself.
You sound as if you don't know all this was foretold in the Old Testament
And had to happen according to God's plan.
If you truly think that then why limit your responses to one sentence zingers designed to make me look foolish or to discredit me? If you thought i was missing a key teaching from the OT why not take the time to provide book chapter and verse (As I have done for you at every point of contention we have had in this discussion) So that I could have the opportunity to try and come to your understanding?
That said, If Jesus where to simply walk up and turn Himself in, you do not think the OT would have mention that instead of Judas' betrayal? Do you really think the prophets of the OT prescribed a path that Jesus would have to follow? That these men/OT prophets simply made up arbitrary water shed events that Jesus would have to then follow?
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Where the Prophesies in the OT where actual revelations given by God that revealed what was to take place? That God was not foretelling what would/could happen in the future, but rather from His perspective these events have already happened (Like John's account of the book of revelation)
Meaning if Jesus was meant to walk up and turn Himself in, then that would have been foretold in the OT.
Literally?
It would have been better,though bad,to say,figuratively.
Nope. I meant what I said. Judas was given 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus.. What did he do with those 30 pieces of silver? He gave them all back leaving Judas with L-I-T-E-R-L-Y NOTHING. So Judas Betrayed Jesus for L-I-T-E-R-L-Y NOTHING.
Maybe you should again look into the gospels/Read them again before you attempt to have a discussion about them.
And, if you think Judas literally betrayed Jesus for nothing, you are not well read in the scriptures.
Other wise it makes you look foolish for those who know better.
Mat 27:3
Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders
Meaningless. Stick with the topic.
Allow me to explain my analogy:
