Does Jesus save those who received grace and are without obedience to the faith?

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John146 said:
At what point of obedience does one become saved?
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Those asking questions like this are trying to see how much sin they can get away with and still be saved.

Those doing this won't be allowed into God's Kingdom

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


mailmandan said:
as if we are saved by works.
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None the less, submitting one's self to anything other than being obedient to the Lord results in that person disqualifying themselves from salvation due to having turned away from the Lord.

The eternal security folks claim people can live in sin and still be saved which explains why they all still live in sin and bring much reproach upon the Lord by causing people to stumble and walk after the flesh rather than after the Spirit.



ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
When you're dead
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Exactly, dead to serving self having become alive unto serving the Lord to please Him instead of self.



ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
We are justified by his faith, but we don't live by his faith
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Those not living by the Faith of Jesus aren't saved.

Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Let's not forget that faith is one of the fruits of the Spirit we receive when becoming born again.

It comes from the Lord.



ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Do you think not sinning is good? And you by an act of your will refrain from committing a sin is that good or evil?
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Sadly the eternal security fake teachers claim it's evil to stop sinning because they claim that is trying to earn salvation

They cannot understand that we are to submit ourselves to the Lord and it's the Lord doing good works thru us.

This is why they enjoy living in sin because they think they are pleasing the Lord by living in sin.

Problem with these people is that the "lord" they are following is the devil and they don't realize it yet.
 
HigherGospel said:
Those not living by the Faith of Jesus aren't saved.

Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Let's not forget that faith is one of the fruits of the Spirit we receive when becoming born again.

It comes from the Lord.
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But it's our faith, not Jesus' faith. That verse you quoted doesn't give the same impression when translated literally.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
But it's our faith, not Jesus' faith.
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It's the gift of faith the Lord gives to every person. Romans 12:3



ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
That verse you quoted doesn't give the same impression when translated literally.
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Lots of people twist the teachings the Lord gave thru Paul to their own destruction 2 Peter 3:16




ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Do Christians seriously openly say this?
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Yes. Go listen to the false teachers on youtube teaching their false version of grace.

Those that love their sin have to accept eternal security, aka OSAS, because they want to feel good about themselves as they keep living in sin.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
That by an act of our will we can align our behavior with God's will. It seems that some people fight against that idea and make it sound like God does everything. Not sure if this applies to you.
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Sure, and by an act of our will by following the flesh, we can also be disobedient to God.
 
John146 said:
Agreed. Do you believe we need the help of the Spirit to please the Lord?
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Can't do it without it. We need the spirit of truth to be able to admit when we're wrong and grace to have the freedom to make mistakes without condemnation and guilt so we can carry on growing into the fullness of Christ
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Beware lest it comes back on thee
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Deception obviously same upon you. :rolleyes:




ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
He apportions to each a measure of faith (literal translation). That's not the same thing as saying he gives us faith.
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That's the problem with the false teachers is they deny what God's Word plainly says.

That's why those not being led by the Holy Spirit are to be ignored seeing they speak for the devil.



ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
grace to have the freedom to make mistakes without condemnation and guilt
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In other words it's OK to go ahead and live in sin (so called mistakes) as the false grace teachers claim all future sins are already forgiven and there's no need to confess and forsake out sin

Fake grace is what most churches teach these days. Sad.
 
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