Does man have a freewill ?

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Rosemaryx

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And here I had respect for you,


Once again, I am not discussing doctrine. I am discussing being falsely accused.

Discernment in this chatroom is at an all time low

I am done. It is evident than people are not going to admit wrong. so I can not respect them. so moving on
@Everlasting-Grace ...
Can you answer @Magenta question...I believe it is important...
It doesn't look like anything has changed except your name.
 

Rosemaryx

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And here I had respect for you,


Once again, I am not discussing doctrine. I am discussing being falsely accused.

Discernment in this chatroom is at an all time low

I am done. It is evident than people are not going to admit wrong. so I can not respect them. so moving on
@Everlasting-Grace ...
Can you answer @Magenta question...I believe it is important...
It doesn't look like anything has changed except your name.
 
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The unregenerate is a servant of sin, a slave to sin. Even the regenerate sometimes comes under the captivity of sin and serve it, so its 100 times fold true of the unregenerate. Paul as a regenerated person with a godly nature wrote Rom 7:14-25

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Now does this sound like he freewill ? He wrote, with the flesh he serves the law of sin. Now thats a spiritual man speaking, so just think if he was only in the flesh as the ones depicted in Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

No, they cannot serve God, or please God in any shape or form, they are sold 100% under the power of sin
25. In Romans 7:7-25 Paul describes s/e in terms of struggle between what a person’s conscience wants to do and what his sinful nature causes him to do until he is rescued by Christ.

Cited out of context this may not sound like a sinner has volition, but the context (including #23, 3 & 4 cited below)
indicates that sinners are able to seek God's leading--or resist:

23. Romans 6:15-23 describes s/e in terms of being slaves to whom one willingly obeys, whether to sin or to obedience of God’s teaching that leads to righteousness, which results in eternal life “in Christ Jesus our Lord” (cf. #10).

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

Pray you will be freed from TULIP brain-washing.
LIC, GWH
 
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@Everlasting-Grace ...
Can you answer @Magenta question...I believe it is important...
It doesn't look like anything has changed except your name.
what question did she ask? I did not read her whole post. the first few lines were enough for me..

A person made a comment.

I questioned their comment

The person then claimed he did not make that comment

Instead of admitting that he made a mistake and he should have maybe worded it different. he kept accusing me, and refusing to admit he made a mistake.

and it seems I am the one taking heat.

if a person can not humble them selves to admit they made an error. how can we listen to anything they say.

he said God does not use people to draw. then he as much admitted God does use people to draw..

I agree. I can not draw anyone to God. But God can use me to help draw them to God through his power.

thats where the whole argument falls

either he can use them, or he can not

He said God can't

then showed how God uses them.
 
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what question did she ask? I did not read her whole post. the first few lines were enough for me..

A person made a comment.

I questioned their comment

The person then claimed he did not make that comment

Instead of admitting that he made a mistake and he should have maybe worded it different. he kept accusing me, and refusing to admit he made a mistake.

and it seems I am the one taking heat.

if a person can not humble them selves to admit they made an error. how can we listen to anything they say.

he said God does not use people to draw. then he as much admitted God does use people to draw..

I agree. I can not draw anyone to God. But God can use me to help draw them to God through his power.

thats where the whole argument falls

either he can use them, or he can not

He said God can't then showed how God uses them.
Such illogic and inadmission are symptoms of being brain-washed,
which limits discussion to playing verbal ping-pong.
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what question did she ask? I did not read her whole post. the first few lines were enough for me..

A person made a comment.

I questioned their comment

The person then claimed he did not make that comment

Instead of admitting that he made a mistake and he should have maybe worded it different. he kept accusing me, and refusing to admit he made a mistake.

and it seems I am the one taking heat.

if a person can not humble them selves to admit they made an error. how can we listen to anything they say.

he said God does not use people to draw. then he as much admitted God does use people to draw..

I agree. I can not draw anyone to God. But God can use me to help draw them to God through his power.

thats where the whole argument falls

either he can use them, or he can not

He said God can't

then showed how God uses them.
@Everlasting-Grace ...
@Magenta asked if you were a member before under a different name...But you said you did not read all her post so I guess you missed that part...I think it is wise to confirm this as obviously she has an incline that you have been here before under a different name...Letting her know would be the right thing to do or else she will carry on thinking so...
 
Dec 18, 2021
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@Everlasting-Grace ...
@Magenta asked if you were a member before under a different name...But you said you did not read all her post so I guess you missed that part...I think it is wise to confirm this as obviously she has an incline that you have been here before under a different name...Letting her know would be the right thing to do or else she will carry on thinking so...
Yes, it all happened during the huge Calvin debate when so many people got banned. as you know I was so frustrated I left the chat, after a few months I cam back under this nic.

EG was my original nic. I made a new one that matched close.