Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?
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1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Ephesians 2:2-3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Colossians 3:6-7 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries
The above verses corroborate what is written in Rom 5:12 (all have sinned) and in Rom 5:18 (by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation) ... even your so-called "elect" ones.
The Lord Jesus Christ was never under condemnation ... but those who have been born again sure were ... until they are justified by faith (Rom 5:1) and receive [Greek = lambanō = actively lay hold of to take or receive, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness, which results in justification of life (Rom 5:18).
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Ephesians 2:2-3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Colossians 3:6-7 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries
The above verses corroborate what is written in Rom 5:12 (all have sinned) and in Rom 5:18 (by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation) ... even your so-called "elect" ones.
The Lord Jesus Christ was never under condemnation ... but those who have been born again sure were ... until they are justified by faith (Rom 5:1) and receive [Greek = lambanō = actively lay hold of to take or receive, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness, which results in justification of life (Rom 5:18).
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Sure He was, for His Sheep that He died for, it wasnt for anything He did personally. Dont you realize that when He died for sinners, God laid their condemnation upon Him, their sins Isa 53:4-8
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Not only that, He was made accursed for His People Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Being made a curse is condemnation.
This is basic truth, and you dont even understand it by making such a foolish unlearned comment as:
Sure He was, for His Sheep that He died for, it wasnt for anything He did personally. Dont you realize that when He died for sinners, God laid their condemnation upon Him, their sins Isa 53:4-8
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Not only that, He was made accursed for His People Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Being made a curse is condemnation.
This is basic truth, and you dont even understand it by making such a foolish unlearned comment as:
nope ... the Lord Jesus Christ was without sin ... He had no sin for which He could ever be under condemnation as the descendants of Adam are (or were). The condemnation of descendants of Adam results from the fact that all have sinned (Rom 5:12).
Here are some verses which tell you that the Lord Jesus Christ had no sin in Him:
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
The reason He could take away our sin is because He was without sin. If He would have had sin in Him, He would not be that perfect offering ... without spot and without blemish:
1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot
note the word "upon" ... not "in" ... big difference.
nope ...
just because "curse" and "condemnation" begin with the same Greek prefix (katá) does not mean they are one and the same word.
condemnation = Greek = katákrima = the sentence of condemnation handed down after due process ... (from katá, "down, according to," intensifying kríma, "the results of judgment").
The Lord Jesus Christ was handed a sentence of condemnation by Pilate (under pressure from the chief priests) after due process (wholly a miscarriage of justice).
The condemnation descendants of Adam are (or were) under is a just condemnation handed down by God after due process ... and descendants of Adam are (or were) deserving of God's condemnation because all have sinned (Rom 5:12). The Lord Jesus Christ never sinned ... He took the sin of mankind upon Himself, but He had no sin in Himself.
curse = Greek = katára = means a malediction (literally to speak evil), imprecation (uttering evil) (from katá, "according to, down" and ará, "a curse").
Spurgeon on having become a curse for us:
rolleyes ... the one who "dont even understand it by making such a foolish unlearned comment" is the one who claims the the Lord Jesus Christ was ever under condemnation in the same manner descendants of Adam are under condemnation.
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Here are some verses which tell you that the Lord Jesus Christ had no sin in Him:
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
The reason He could take away our sin is because He was without sin. If He would have had sin in Him, He would not be that perfect offering ... without spot and without blemish:
1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot
note the word "upon" ... not "in" ... big difference.
nope ...
just because "curse" and "condemnation" begin with the same Greek prefix (katá) does not mean they are one and the same word.
condemnation = Greek = katákrima = the sentence of condemnation handed down after due process ... (from katá, "down, according to," intensifying kríma, "the results of judgment").
The Lord Jesus Christ was handed a sentence of condemnation by Pilate (under pressure from the chief priests) after due process (wholly a miscarriage of justice).
The condemnation descendants of Adam are (or were) under is a just condemnation handed down by God after due process ... and descendants of Adam are (or were) deserving of God's condemnation because all have sinned (Rom 5:12). The Lord Jesus Christ never sinned ... He took the sin of mankind upon Himself, but He had no sin in Himself.
curse = Greek = katára = means a malediction (literally to speak evil), imprecation (uttering evil) (from katá, "according to, down" and ará, "a curse").
Spurgeon on having become a curse for us:
Christ was no curse in Himself. In His person He was spotlessly innocent, and nothing of sin could belong personally to Him. In Him was no sin. “God made him to be sin for us,” the apostle adds elsewhere, “who knew no sin”. There must never be supposed to be any degree of blameworthiness or censure in the person or character of Christ as He stands as an individual. He is in that respect without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing—the immaculate Lamb of God’s Passover. Nor was Christ made a curse of necessity. His own intrinsic holiness kept Him from sin, and that same holiness kept Him from the curse. He was made sin for us not on His own account, not with any view to Himself, but wholly because He loved us and chose to put Himself in the place we ought to have occupied.
rolleyes ... the one who "dont even understand it by making such a foolish unlearned comment" is the one who claims the the Lord Jesus Christ was ever under condemnation in the same manner descendants of Adam are under condemnation.
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Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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