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Does Science go against faith?
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Blain, 'dinosaurs' still walk the earth - in remotest of places of the amazon and supposedly in some huge swamp area in the middle of Africa. Explorers of the amazon that have been in contact with locals speak of beasts with long necks and fat bodies that no other animal will go near. I'd like to find the documentary I watched on that. There has been pottery found with paintings of people riding 'dinosaur' like creatures, these creatures had spots/circles all over them - they have found 'dinosaur' skin that has these same markings (now tell me how does skin last hundreds of millions of years?) They have found 'dinosaur' flesh which perished days after it was extracted (tell me how does dead flesh last hundreds of millions of years?) They have found 'dinosaur' and human footprints on the same rock layer. Deep sea fishing trawlers have netted up plesiosaurs - if you don't know what that is, google it.
Dinosaurs are reptiles, reptiles don't stop growing their entire life, there was double the amount of oxygen on the earth when it was first created which means things grew bigger, stronger, faster. I believe some reptiles we see now are stunted due to atmospheric conditions and are unable to grow to the size they used too, others are obviously extinct during or after the flood.
So these are some explanations for 'dinosaurs' that I can think of.
Dinosaurs are reptiles, reptiles don't stop growing their entire life, there was double the amount of oxygen on the earth when it was first created which means things grew bigger, stronger, faster. I believe some reptiles we see now are stunted due to atmospheric conditions and are unable to grow to the size they used too, others are obviously extinct during or after the flood.
So these are some explanations for 'dinosaurs' that I can think of.
Blain, in a museum in Glen Rose, TX. there is a fossil of a human's footprint in a dinosaur's.
About 35 years ago, I went to the actual creek bed in Glen Rose and saw prints of a large three toed reptile with human footprints aside and sometimes inside them.
Fossils are very hard to make. It takes special circumstances to save them.
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I don’t even subscribe to what Darwin is saying either. Nothing can contradict the bible. I do believe in genetic mutations/variation (aka God changes). It fascinates me to find out more information about my surrounding without allowing some of these “educated theories” to taint my faith. Anatomy and physiology is amazing and everything I discover testify of God. Everything is made of atoms (atoms, electrons and neutrons). Simple yet complicated. The expanse of the universe is mind boggling, but is too a testament of the work of God. I refuse to believe that I do not exist (lol @ some of the philosophies out there). Movement and time is all God.
I personally tune out most of the hypothetical aspect of scientist. I do pay attention to the things that God ALLOW them to discover for the advancement of civilization. Our God was, is, and is to come. All things that has been discovered, is being discovered and will be discovered point to and was ordained by our God. Sometimes man allow the devil to manipulate them into misusing the gifts of knowledge and intelligence given by or Lord. The scientists are doing a lot of work that will benefit us, but they are letting their “intelligent” cloud what’s important.
Right now, as Christians, we are regarded as simple-minded and are ridiculed. But that doesn’t matter, because having God through the experiences of science is way more enjoyable for me than for an unbeliever. God showing some things that were not previously understood. Either way he is ALLOWING us to see and understand. I think some of the scientist can’t grasp the whole allowing thing and let their price boast of their superb intelligence. But Paul says it in Roman that creation testify of God, but these people are choosing to ignore it. So God leave them to themselves. Trust me, we see what happens when we are left to our corruption. With that said, I enjoy all the new technologies and discoveries that I'm too slow to find myself. I will think of Jesus in Matthew 11:25-30.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
I personally tune out most of the hypothetical aspect of scientist. I do pay attention to the things that God ALLOW them to discover for the advancement of civilization. Our God was, is, and is to come. All things that has been discovered, is being discovered and will be discovered point to and was ordained by our God. Sometimes man allow the devil to manipulate them into misusing the gifts of knowledge and intelligence given by or Lord. The scientists are doing a lot of work that will benefit us, but they are letting their “intelligent” cloud what’s important.
Right now, as Christians, we are regarded as simple-minded and are ridiculed. But that doesn’t matter, because having God through the experiences of science is way more enjoyable for me than for an unbeliever. God showing some things that were not previously understood. Either way he is ALLOWING us to see and understand. I think some of the scientist can’t grasp the whole allowing thing and let their price boast of their superb intelligence. But Paul says it in Roman that creation testify of God, but these people are choosing to ignore it. So God leave them to themselves. Trust me, we see what happens when we are left to our corruption. With that said, I enjoy all the new technologies and discoveries that I'm too slow to find myself. I will think of Jesus in Matthew 11:25-30.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
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Thousands, obviously. The Earth is only about 6000 years old.
Historical accounts by witnesses of live dinosaurs. There's a whole chapter of them in the book "After the flood", by Bill Cooper (chapter 10, Dinosaurs from Anglo-Saxon and other Records). "The early Britons, from whom the modern Welsh are descended, provide us with our earliest surviving European accounts of reptilian monsters, one of whom killed and devoured king Morvidus (Morydd) in ca 336 BC."
I can't vouch for the following site (its probably non-Christian), but it seems to have a bit of detail on this king. There are many, many other accounts of encounters with creatures described in a way we would describe dinosaurs today.
Dinosaurs of Ancient Britain Part 1
hey blain
If you notice something - people have the same evidence, but have different interpretations
Evidence in itself is not a decider of truth, it's your worldview -- your basic beliefs of how to interpret evidence in the world
The Bible presents itself as a worldview, a way of thinking - that itself declares to be against what the "world" views as they are blinded by satan
a quick view of Dinosaurs - Created on the same day as land animals - Kinds of dinosaurs(about the family level). For the Ark, creationists think there were only about 50 original kinds of dinosaurs, and you do not put the large ones that are old, you put the young ones on so that they are fertile, and will survive, which would reduce the dinosaur kinds put on the ark to the size of an elephant or smaller. Dinosaurs after the ark went out to the world and multiplied, as did people when the tower of babel dispersion.
the major 'ancient' civilizations all report - dragons - Native Americans, Europe, China, India - all have dragon stories
Dragons are dinosaurs, told from one generation to another orally - since the dinosaurs dwindled in number, as the years go by people have no point of reference to compare the story anymore, making up parts of the story - making it more interesting etc
A literal reading of the bible will not lead you to believe in evolution, but rather to oppose it. However, "faith" doesn't only include fundamentalism (a literal reading of the bible) but also moderate/liberal interpretations of the bible (seeing "truths" in bible stories, even if they aren't literally true). So there are Christians that have no problem with evolution, although they differ with scientists because they believe in an untestable proposition that God is the origin of the first life form.
These replies that you see above that say that evolution isn't true are from fundamentalists. I would argue that these people are irrational, defending the indefensible. While I think that people ought to be skeptical of the bible, I don't have anything personal against liberal Christians because they aren't fighting against the teaching of evolution, homosexual marriage, abortion, etc. These Christians aren't trying to rationalize belief but instead using it to supplement their lives, trying to keep only the positive aspects. I don't share their views, but I think they're reasonable.
The age of the Earth is found by locating the oldest thing on Earth, and there are countless artifacts that are older than 6000 years. Even if these things didn't exist, the most scientific thing you could say is that "The Earth is at least 6000 years old", knowing that nothing has yet been found to date it as older.
The universe is even easier to date as older than 6000 years, again looking at the oldest object in it. Because the evidence of this is much stronger, there are several arguments against the "7 days of genesis" being literal days (even by fundamentalists). For instance, we can examine stars that are millions of light years away because the light from them has had millions of years to travel from them to us.
Science can be use to prove that the Scriptures are true, but that is up to the scientist. This verse is saying that once the serpent had great height, but now they will not be a threat to mankind; Man will be able to stomp on their head and the only thing that the serpent will able to do is to bruise the heel of a man and which things has changed from the serpent was the one to stomp on a man and the man has bruised the heel of the serpent by spears.
Genesis 3:15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”
The phrase " you will strike his heel" refers to Satans repeated attempts to defeat Christ during his life on earth. "he will crush your head" foreshadows Satans defeat when Christ rose from the dead . A strike on the heel is not deadly, but a blow to the head is. That verse is a prophecy of Christ
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I'm not even going to get into the age of the Earth. And I'm daring myself to ask a simple question that is probably going to get a very unnecessarily complicated answer that doesn't really make sense, but why don't we have photographic evidence and why have we captured none? If there are dinosaurs why haven't we heard of them, side from a few vague websites that don't offer much in terms of evidence?
The only thing I can think of making sense are the ancestors of dinosaurs or those closely related, like alligators. I guess some could argue that alligators are dinosaurs of sort, but I'm not a biologist so I'm not sure how related the two really are.
The Old Testament was performing things in a physical nature of what would happen in the spiritual nature, or can can say it was the physical aspect of the spiritual realm.
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I don't do much research in science but I have a friend who does and I honestly believe they go hand in hand. I don't believe that it all started with evolution but I believe that our species did evolve. If we didn't we wouldn't have wisdom teeth and scientists wouldn't have found bones of Neanderthals. Humans today are actually being born without wisdom teeth. Showing that evolution does exist and has been proven many times. People saying that evolution doesn't exist is simply trying to ignore it or don't understand it. I believe that God made us but I believe that what the almighty made has evolved. That's why people in the bible lived for so long back then. I do not believe that the earth was made from the Big Bang and that we evolved from a monkey. I believe that the original humans such as Adam and Eve were Neanderthals. Then from then we evolved becoming a smarter species. Evolution is happening all around us just not the evolution that most people think of when they hear the word evolution. I'm talking about the simple evolution i.e. (The fact that people are being born without wisdom teeth, our jaws are becoming smaller and stronger, and our toes are becoming more together) it's all there. However if you're talking about evolving from monkeys that could have just been something someone made up to try to explain the earth in a different way. In conclusion I do believe that science and faith can go together. I do not think they oppose eachother.
The human population exploded in Gen 6:
Gen 6:1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, (ESV)
Because of extreme competition between humans and dinosaurs for agricultural land, the dinosaurs were driven to extinction.
Science doesn't oppose faith, it is the atheists which do that along with their biased agenda and interpretation of observations and data based on not having God.
Well if dinosaurs were indeed walking the earth all that time ago then there certainly wouldn't be any photographic evidence due to the serious lack of technology at the time.
I've never questioned dinosaurs to be honest, I've just always assumed that they roamed 'millions of years ago'. And because it has sat nicely along side my atheist point of view then I've always regarded it as true.
I do know though that there have been incorrectly identified dinosaurs, something to do with combining two skeletons by mistake.
Since we are having atmospheric changes that leads to animal and vegetation changes and everything else like mental and emotional changes. If you watch movies of the past and movies of today, there's a big difference what people considered to be entertaining from back then and to right now. Since man has dominion of this world and decide on what whether they should create vehicles, GMO foods, and all sorts of other stuff that is affecting the environment that is causing these changes because they are not content what they have had in the past and which God has created and it was good for the environment; but now we are creating things that is affecting this world development.
Top 10 Signs Of Evolution In Modern Man - Listverse
Necessity Is The Mother Of Invention
Hebrews 13:5Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
Genesis 1:31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
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Batman007
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I was more saying how people were arguing that there are current dinosaurs.
I don't know how the existence of dinosaurs has to do with atheism. Care to explain more?
Yes I have heard of that happening.
