Does the bible teach that Jesus is God?

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Hi Laura

An excellent question. The best way to explain is the use of the bible. John 17:3 " this means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" So this scripture already shows a clear distinction. God sent Jesus Christ to die for our sins. If it was worded and you sent yourself, Jesus Christ it would show that they are one in the same but this shows they are different. Just like God refers to all of us as his sons, he calls Jesus his son because he was his first creation. In John 1:49 it says "Na·than′a·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel". Again we see a clear distinction, Jesus is the son of God. Many people believe that God and Jesus are one in the same along with the Holy Spirit, but they are one in a sense that they are harmony together not that they are literally one. It makes logical sense as if you think of Jesus time on Earth, why would he pray to God if he was God? I hope this helped =)

The NT may distinguish between Father and Son, but that does not abrogate the highly exalted Christology presented within its pages. In the years that I have studied Christology, it seems that the more direct references to Jesus’ divinity (John 1.1-14, 20.28) attract most of the attention. And while these references are worth their weight in gold, I would argue that the more indirect references may prove to be even more powerful.

Several of these indirect references exist in Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians. Throughout this letter, Paul attributes functions to Christ, and describes Him in such a way that would identify Him as the Lord of the OT.

Coupled with Paul’s utilization of κύριος (“Lord”) for Jesus where he alludes to OT texts involving the Divine Name (1 Cor 1.2 [c.f. Joel 2.32]; 1 Cor 2.16 [c.f. Isaiah 40.13]; 1 Cor 6.11 [c.f. Isaiah 45.25], et al), is also a reformulation of the Shema (Deut 6.4), where Paul gives us the Christian self-understanding of how monotheism of the Jewish Scriptures is to be interpreted in light of the incarnation of Jesus the Messiah, the “one Lord” (1 Cor 8.6).

To Paul, the person who “loves God” (1 Cor 8.3) knows that “there is no God but one” (1 Cor 8.4). His statements here encapsulate the monotheistic essence of Judaism, the Shema (“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might,” Deut 6.4-5). The allusions made to idolatry, to loving God, and believing that God is one removes any uncertainty that Paul is drawing here on Deut 6.4-5.

Paul writes in vv. 5-6,

‘Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.’
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Notice the contrast Paul makes: the heathen idolaters have “many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’— yet for us there is one God… one Lord.” In such a context where the Shema is central (idolatry, loving God, God is one), it would be self-defeating for Paul to do anything but embrace together the “one God” and “one Lord” in sovereign union, otherwise he would be just as guilty of idolatry as the heathen who had a multiplicity of sovereigns. I think B.B. Warfield expresses this unification quite nicely,

“Obviously, this ‘one God, the Father,’ and ‘one Lord, Jesus Christ,’ are embraced together in the one God who alone is. Paul’s conception of the one God, whom alone he worships, included, in other words, a recognition that within the unity of His being, there exists such a distinction of Persons as is given us in the ‘one God, the Father” and the ‘one Lord, Jesus Christ.’”
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Paul’s play on words in v. 6 makes this union of the “one God” and the “one Lord” even more apparent. Bauckham explains,

“that God is not only the agent or efficient cause of creation ('from him are all things') and the final cause or goal of all things ('to him are all things'), but also the instrumental cause ('through him are all things') well expresses the typical Jewish monotheistic concern that God used no one else to carry out his work of creation. By Paul's reformulation in 1 Corinthians 8:6, he includes Christ in this exclusively divine work of creation by giving to him the role of instrumental cause.” (God Crucified: Monotheism & Christology, 38-39)
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In drawing upon the monotheistic concept that God alone created the universe (Isaiah 44.24, 4 Ezra 3.4), Paul attributes to Christ a role in creation which Jews would commonly attribute to God (Heb 2.10, Rom 11.36). For Paul to include the “one Lord, Jesus Christ” in the divine work of creation places Him squarely in a unique union with the “one God, the Father.” Perhaps Bauckham puts it best, “the unique identity of the one God consists of the one God, the Father, and the one Lord, his Messiah…” (Jesus and the God of Israel, p. 101).

Adding further credence to this is the fact that Paul goes on to speak about the relationship between the Corinthians and the “one Lord” Jesus over against idolatry (10.19-22),

“You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?” (1 Cor 10.21-22 c.f. Deut 32.21, Malachi 1.7-12)
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The “Lord” that is spoken of here is most naturally taken to refer to Jesus for various reasons:

(i) Up to this point in Paul’s letter it is Jesus that is referred to as the “one Lord,” “the Lord of glory,” et al.

(ii) Paul uses this language of “the cup of the Lord” later in his letter to the Corinthians where it is Jesus who is the referent (1 Corinthians 11.27-28 c.f. 1 Corinthians 10.16-17, 2 Corinthians 6.15-16).


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(iii) For Paul to refer to Jesus’ involvement in Israel’s redemptive history makes it clear who the “Lord” is in this passage. According to Paul, Christ is “the rock” (1 Cor 10.4) that accompanied the Israelites in the wilderness, and goes so far to even warn the Corinthians, “We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.” There seems to be a connection between testing Christ (1 Cor 10.9), and provoking the Lord (1 Cor 10.22). Additionally, the question raised in 10.22 (“Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy?”) is an allusion to the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32.21, “They have provoked me to jealousy with what is no god”), the very place Paul alludes to when he speaks of Christ as “the rock” (c.f. Deut 32.4, 15, 18, 31).
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Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sickof the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

(v.6) But there were certain scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,


(v.7) Why doth this man speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?


Jesus was making a claim to divinity.
 
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Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sickof the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

(v.6) But there were certain scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,


(v.7) Why doth this man speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?


Jesus was making a claim to divinity.

If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven John 20:23

Can Christ's disciples make a claim to divinity?

Can they claim to be God?
 
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If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven John 20:23

Can Christ's disciples make a claim to divinity?

Can they claim to be God?

no, Christ's disciples don't. you probably haven't met any yet in your life, maybe not even one.

many of the people (many online) have not yet met one in person, or if they did, did not recognize them, or worse - if they did, they rejected them and rejected Christ as most people of the world reject Christ(it is written).
 
Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sickof the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee......
Jesus was making a claim to divinity.

GOOD! otherwise our(ekklesia immersed in Him, born again) faith is in vain and our sins not forgiven!
 
If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven John 20:23

Can Christ's disciples make a claim to divinity?

Can they claim to be God?

And right before Jesus said that He said:

John 20:22 Recieve ye the Holy Ghost. (Spirit) So, it is not by the disciples power that sins are forgiven or not, it's by the power of the Holy Spirit that is working through them.

It's the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
 
I am not asking you about the gospels. I know the gospels. I am asking you what does Gen 1 mean when he speaks of the image of God! If you do not know the answer simply say so and I will be happy to help you.

Sorry to say with all due respect to you 'sir', for i only who 'testify' have this, according to 1 John 26, 27.

i am not 'obligated' in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST to listen to you and those who want to 'twist' the written 'All Scripture' and 'as it is written'.

When JESUS say to 'Jerusalem' with all their placed 'authorities' according to the 'Law of Moses', that 'they are gods', then there is 'no two ways' about them that is written and 'established' by our LORD JESUS CHRIST .
 
Yes He was perfect. He is perfect still. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Yes Jesus is good. But why do you call Him good? Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

But Jesus stills deserves our eternal praise. He is our truly is.

Amen.
 

Jesus was making a claim to divinity.

yes He is Devine, now with the glory that he had before,

Sitting on (the right) side of God, ...


For there is one God,

and one mediator between God and men,


the man Christ Jesus;
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DiscipleDave said :
The Father made Jesus Christ

No!
Christ is begotten, not made.

A son is begotten of his Mother and Father
A daughter is begotten of her Mother and Father
Jesus is a Son of God, begotten of His Father.
His Father made Him, therefore is the first begotten of the Father, SIMPLE, children can understand this concept.

^i^ Responding to Post # 38
 
DiscipleDave said :
Actually the Bible teaches that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father, So then Jesus was created by that Father. The Father is Spirit, His first born, the very first thing the Father created was Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ created all things that were made.

John 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

You assert Jesus is "created" by the Father, but then you cite John 1.3, a text that actually opposes that very assertion,

"All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." (John 1.3)​

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You do error, the verse says Jesus created all things (Things = matter) that were made (created) The Father is not matter, He is spirit, Spirit is not made nor is Spirit matter. Jesus did not make the Father, because the Father is not something that was made, or created. The Father existed, prior to anything being made that was made. Jesus did not create Himself. Jesus was created by the Father, which was never created or made.


Hone in on the second part of the passage, "apart from Him nothing has come into being that has come into being.”

And you think the Father came into being. that is incorrect. The Father existed before anything came into being, even before Jesus Christ came into being there was the Father, The Father created Jesus Christ, Jesus then made all things that were made, that was made, that came into being.


Christ is being described as the One through whom all things which have “come into being” have their place in existence.

True, But where you error is in your thinking that the Father came into existence, and therefore because He came into existence was created by Jesus Christ, This thinking is in error and is not the Truth. The Father has never came into existence, The Father was never created, or made, He has always existed. Before anything was made that was made, there was the Father, Before Jesus was made, there was the Father. The Father is not made, the Father is not created, the Father did not come into existence, the Father has always been. The Father created Jesus Christ, Jesus then created all things that were made, all things that came into existence, all matter, all substance, all living things, But Jesus never created the Father, if Jesus were to have created the Father, then the Father would be considered the First born of Jesus. If Jesus created the Father, then Jesus would be higher than the Father. Jesus plainly teaches, that what He teaches came from the Father, that the miracle He did came from the His Father in Heaven, Jesus Himself testifies Truly that His Father is Greater than He is. Jesus did NOT create the Father, if He did create the Father, then i assure you, He would be greater than the thing in which He created. His Father is greater than He, because His Father made Him, Jesus came out from the Father, born out of Him, created by Him. Even Jesus Himself does not know the day or the hour of His Return, but guess who does? His Father, which is greater than the Son Jesus Christ, the Father knows, then Son of that Father does NOT know the day or the Hour. The Father will tell the Son when that day is, the Father will instruct that Son to go to the Earth. Those who think Jesus created the Father do error and do not know the Truth.



Everything that was created; everything that had a starting point in time; everything that has come into existence… all things that “came into being” did so through, or by means of the Word.

This is absolutely True, But what you fail to know or understand, is that the Father was never created. Jesus created all things that were made, Jesus created all things that came into existence. The Father was never created, The Father never came into existence. The Father was before Jesus Christ. The Father created Jesus Christ, which is what makes the Father Greater than Jesus Christ, which is what makes Jesus the Son of God, and not the Father who created Him.



These are not words that describe a created being, these are words that describe an active, and eternal agent of creation. The Logos is not here identified as one that “came into being,” but the One through whom all things that have “come into being” have their existence. Meaning, if Jesus is created, and Jesus is the One through whom all things that have “come into being” have their existence, then Jesus created Himself.

Here is the Truth. The Father (which is Greater than Jesus, called the FATHER, never was created, never was made, existed) created His firstborn son, Jesus Christ. Jesus created all things that were made. Jesus created all things that came into existence. Jesus did not create the Father, nor did Jesus create Himself. The Father created Jesus, who created all things that were MADE.

^i^ Responding to Post # 48
 
If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven John 20:23

Can Christ's disciples make a claim to divinity?

Can they claim to be God?

The problem with this is quite obvious. Anyone can forgive another for their trespasses against them; however, Jesus is not forgiving the man because He Himself had been double-crossed. There is no sign here that the man had committed sin against Jesus. The difference is this: Where Jesus forgave sins not committed against Him perse, you as an individual can't forgive another for their trespasses against another. Can you personally forgive Jim for his trespasses against Greg?
 
DiscipleDave said :


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You do error, the verse says Jesus created all things (Things = matter) that were made (created) The Father is not matter, He is spirit, Spirit is not made nor is Spirit matter. Jesus did not make the Father, because the Father is not something that was made, or created. The Father existed, prior to anything being made that was made. Jesus did not create Himself. Jesus was created by the Father, which was never created or made.




And you think the Father came into being. that is incorrect. The Father existed before anything came into being, even before Jesus Christ came into being there was the Father, The Father created Jesus Christ, Jesus then made all things that were made, that was made, that came into being.




True, But where you error is in your thinking that the Father came into existence, and therefore because He came into existence was created by Jesus Christ, This thinking is in error and is not the Truth. The Father has never came into existence, The Father was never created, or made, He has always existed. Before anything was made that was made, there was the Father, Before Jesus was made, there was the Father. The Father is not made, the Father is not created, the Father did not come into existence, the Father has always been. The Father created Jesus Christ, Jesus then created all things that were made, all things that came into existence, all matter, all substance, all living things, But Jesus never created the Father, if Jesus were to have created the Father, then the Father would be considered the First born of Jesus. If Jesus created the Father, then Jesus would be higher than the Father. Jesus plainly teaches, that what He teaches came from the Father, that the miracle He did came from the His Father in Heaven, Jesus Himself testifies Truly that His Father is Greater than He is. Jesus did NOT create the Father, if He did create the Father, then i assure you, He would be greater than the thing in which He created. His Father is greater than He, because His Father made Him, Jesus came out from the Father, born out of Him, created by Him. Even Jesus Himself does not know the day or the hour of His Return, but guess who does? His Father, which is greater than the Son Jesus Christ, the Father knows, then Son of that Father does NOT know the day or the Hour. The Father will tell the Son when that day is, the Father will instruct that Son to go to the Earth. Those who think Jesus created the Father do error and do not know the Truth.




This is absolutely True, But what you fail to know or understand, is that the Father was never created. Jesus created all things that were made, Jesus created all things that came into existence. The Father was never created, The Father never came into existence. The Father was before Jesus Christ. The Father created Jesus Christ, which is what makes the Father Greater than Jesus Christ, which is what makes Jesus the Son of God, and not the Father who created Him.




Here is the Truth. The Father (which is Greater than Jesus, called the FATHER, never was created, never was made, existed) created His firstborn son, Jesus Christ. Jesus created all things that were made. Jesus created all things that came into existence. Jesus did not create the Father, nor did Jesus create Himself. The Father created Jesus, who created all things that were MADE.

^i^ Responding to Post # 48


I'm Trinitarian, I do not believe the Father, or Jesus are created/came into existence. What John says in v 1.3 is that Jesus is not apart of the created order. Jesus didn't come after the Father, nor did the Father created Him... He was already there with the Father prior to creation. I don't recall ever discussing with you anything about the Father. You need to reread everything I've written in response to you, because it seems like you didn't read a bit of it.
 
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John 1:1 "and the Word was God"

He was (with) God in the beginning.

yes the Word is God, but he was with God also,

I believe we maybe both right, and that is the age old mystery.

that there is 2 beings not 3, together before time.

God and the word, Father and the son, mediater between them and us only,

Glory be together , who knows how long it took them to make blueprints of his plan,

before nothing was, like a good builder should, working side by side, using Gods power,

the word made, as directed, us.



and false cathlic doctrone enforced world wide allmost

and he told it would happen.
 
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You assert Jesus is "created" by the Father, but then you cite John 1.3, a text that actually opposes that very assertion,

"All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."

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Jesus was sired by God, begotten, first of [many] brothern,

as the word was [with] God , he gave up his title, glory,became, and was passed in temptation,

could of lost what he gave, but because he loved us first, a suffering lamb.

but now on the
hand of Gods throne, glory returned,waiting for his turn to rule Gods way.

If the holy spirit was a 3rd person, and not the very power of God,

then he would be called the son of the holy spirit, but it is not, and scripture can not be broken.



the word used Gods power , as directed to create from nothing.

God gave Jesus the Spirit

God =God, Jesus=God, spirit=God

it would look like this


God gave God God.

just sounds wierd.​
 
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I'm Trinitarian, I do not believe the Father, or Jesus are created/came into existence. What John says in v 1.3 is that Jesus is not apart of the created order. Jesus didn't come after the Father, nor did the Father created Him... He was already there with the Father prior to creation. I don't recall ever discussing with you anything about the Father. You need to reread everything I've written in response to you, because it seems like you didn't read a bit of it.

what John says was the word had no start, not Jesus, he was sired by God later.

had a mortal body, blood just red like oures, but he had Gods power,
with no measure to help and comfort him, even from the womb,

ask youre wife maybe how begotten and born differ in humans birth, mere men but with potential.

so a believer in the trinity, was started by the cathic church and inforced by rome,
that has been very bad in history, and you believe this docturine, bible tells about would corupt word.

you throw out scripure that says Jesus was begotten by his father ?

good to discuss on forums.