Done Away?

[oldthennew]

the Holy Commandments that are written upon my heart and Spirit
bring me such precious gifts; one of the most valuable to me is
the gift of peace, knowing that my will now is to be in His will,
for I delight in the Law of God after the inward man.
and 'Great peace have they that love Thy Law, and nothing shall offend them.'

I am indeed forever thankful to my Lord, Jesus Christ, for I am baptized into His death,
and I am become dead to the Law through His body, but alive in the knowledge of the fact
that the Law is Spiritual and living and in written upon my heart -
I pray that I always be a walking epistle for Him, bearing witness by
keeping His Holy, Eternal Commandments.

 

[Hizikyah]

the Holy Commandments that are written upon my heart and Spirit
bring me such precious gifts; one of the most valuable to me is
the gift of peace, knowing that my will now is to be in His will,
for I delight in the Law of God after the inward man.
and 'Great peace have they that love Thy Law, and nothing shall offend them.'

I am indeed forever thankful to my Lord, Jesus Christ, for I am baptized into His death,
and I am become dead to the Law through His body, but alive in the knowledge of the fact
that the Law is Spiritual and living and in written upon my heart -
I pray that I always be a walking epistle for Him, bearing witness by
keeping His Holy, Eternal Commandments.

This " knowing that my will now is to be in His will"

IMO more to be desired than anything! praise Yah!

 

[Grandpa]

He (Christ) says:

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Romans 3:20 [SUP] [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Romans 3:21-22

[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

The Righteousness of God without the Law is manifested and witnessed by the Law and the Prophets? How can this be?

Galatians 3:24-26

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Does righteousness come by the Law? No. Who are they that work iniquity? Those who don't abide in Christ. Those who refuse to rest, refuse to believe in the work of Christ and His Grace that saves them.

If we are abiding in Christ and not working at the Law what happens? We are resting in the work of Christ and He grows the fruit in our lives. The Fruit of the Holy Spirit which fulfills the Law!!!

If you are busy working at the law then you aren't resting in Christ. If you aren't resting in Christ, by faith, then the Holy Spirit is not being cultivated and grown in you. Which of the fruit of the Spirit do you object to? Which of the fruit will cause you to break His Law???

Workers of iniquity. By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight. You obviously can't wrap your carnal mind around that. I don't know how to make you see. All I can say is the veil is taken away in Christ.

 

[oldthennew]

This " knowing that my will now is to be in His will"

IMO more to be desired than anything! praise Yah!

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Hizikyah,

your sweet love for our Father is very commendable.

keep up your dedicated witness to His Holy Commandments,
the joy that this honor brings is beyond pearls and rubies,
and worldly praise.

 

[Hizikyah]

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Hizikyah,

your sweet love for our Father is very commendable.

keep up your dedicated witness to His Holy Commandments,
the joy that this honor brings is beyond pearls and rubies,
and worldly praise.

The world brought me pain, well I went that way and got pain, Yah brings me joy, in Him, Hi Spirit, His Salvation, His words, His Laws/Instructions, everything Yah brings me comfort and joy. Thank you brother for srengthening me in the times we are in! For he who strengthens a brother in truth truly shows love IMO. SO ty and supreme thanks to Yah!

 

[Grandpa]

There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

I wonder what way would seem right but the end is death?

I bet it is thinking that you can and do keep Gods Law. I bet it is thinking in your heart that you are so much better than those who don't keep and do His Law.

Like the prayer of the pharisee.

My Ways are higher than your ways and My Thoughts are Higher than your thoughts.

People tend to forget that when they read the Law. They think that they know His Ways and His Thoughts and they are encapsulated in the Law. And that by their work at the Law they are actually completing His Will.

I would have never known any of this if I didn't try so hard working at the law to be perfect. I wasn't able to do it. I had to ask for the Help of the Lord Jesus Christ. My work was picking up a single pebble, almost, barely. His Work was building the whole Kingdom. I trust His Work. I am weak, but He is Strong.

I wonder if people who are going back to the "hebrew roots" understand this... Doesn't look like it so far... I wonder if I just got lucky??? lol

 

[oldthennew]

Grandpa,

you may rest assured, that my wife and I know, without a doubt just what our
weaknesses were and are to over-come....

that you would judge those who only desire to please their Master in all
thankfulness and humility is a little heart-breaking, for if we have no
purpose or ways to please our Father, then what is the purpose of the
'race and over-coming, or the purpose of the flesh dying, or the purpose
of living in the Spirit?
there are so many things to 'over-come' in our lifetime, our journeys,
without the Holy Commandment to guide and convict, there would be
no power or point in even trying to please our Maker.

you are free to take the path that you choose, we choose to follow Christ
and imitate Him, and as Paul has said, 'I would have not known sin,
except the Law had said, thou shall not covet.'
so, like Paul, we use it as our guide in how to behave, knowing that
it 'works not salvation' or 'forgiveness of sin', but it truly
lights our paths, as it is written, 'the Law is a lamp unto my feet',
and again, 'I Am The Light of the world.'

 

[Hizikyah]

Rest for the world of sin or rest from right things?

I do see you have Galatians in your repertoire... So do you think we can enjoy "His rest" if we don't hear and obey His words? and it in the flesh" to obey? ODD, I see the world has been turned up-side down.

To me it seems I am a bit farther along than you give me credit, for what did Messiah say?

Mattithyah 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."

That was 7:24-27, lets read a few verses before that... and lets let Him talk and not me get in the way of His words?

Matt 7:13-21, "Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it. Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every righteous tree brings forth righteous fruit; but a tree of evil brings forth fruit of iniquity. A righteous tree cannot bring forth fruit of iniquity, nor can a tree of evil bring forth fruits of righteousness. Every tree which does not bring forth righteous fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire. Therefore, by their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

next verse;

Matt7:24, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock."

By the will and might of YHWH I will build my house on "the Rock" aka the Messiah.

If I am "carnal" for seeking to obey and to bind this to my mind, heart, and body through the Strength and Spirit of Yahweh in your eyes, Im ok with that, for all that matters to me is what the King thinks,

for Paul says:
2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”

Is Paul carnal for saying that? Or am I just carnal for believing it?

Mattithyah 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away."

Yahchanan (John) 14:26, "But the Comforter--the Holy Spirit which Yahweh will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."

and as long as I love HIS words, I know im on the right track.

 

[Hizikyah]

There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

I wonder what way would seem right but the end is death?

I bet it is thinking that you can and do keep Gods Law. I bet it is thinking in your heart that you are so much better than those who don't keep and do His Law.

Like the prayer of the pharisee.

My Ways are higher than your ways and My Thoughts are Higher than your thoughts.

People tend to forget that when they read the Law. They think that they know His Ways and His Thoughts and they are encapsulated in the Law. And that by their work at the Law they are actually completing His Will.

I would have never known any of this if I didn't try so hard working at the law to be perfect. I wasn't able to do it. I had to ask for the Help of the Lord Jesus Christ. My work was picking up a single pebble, almost, barely. His Work was building the whole Kingdom. I trust His Work. I am weak, but He is Strong.

I wonder if people who are going back to the "hebrew roots" understand this... Doesn't look like it so far... I wonder if I just got lucky??? lol

You are putting all that on me, I never said I am perfect or better than any.... oh and it a "hebrew roots" problem because I use HIS NAME... crazy...

 

[Hizikyah]

There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

I wonder what way would seem right but the end is death?

I bet it is thinking that you can and do keep Gods Law. I bet it is thinking in your heart that you are so much better than those who don't keep and do His Law.

Like the prayer of the pharisee.

My Ways are higher than your ways and My Thoughts are Higher than your thoughts.

People tend to forget that when they read the Law. They think that they know His Ways and His Thoughts and they are encapsulated in the Law. And that by their work at the Law they are actually completing His Will.

I would have never known any of this if I didn't try so hard working at the law to be perfect. I wasn't able to do it. I had to ask for the Help of the Lord Jesus Christ. My work was picking up a single pebble, almost, barely. His Work was building the whole Kingdom. I trust His Work. I am weak, but He is Strong.

I wonder if people who are going back to the "hebrew roots" understand this... Doesn't look like it so far... I wonder if I just got lucky??? lol

There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

I wonder what way would seem right but the end is death?

Yeremyah 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?"

Judges 21:25 , "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes."

Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."


John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Is it in the flesh to to "he who hears my word, and believes"

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa,

you may rest assured, that my wife and I know, without a doubt just what our
weaknesses were and are to over-come....

that you would judge those who only desire to please their Master in all
thankfulness and humility is a little heart-breaking, for if we have no
purpose or ways to please our Father, then what is the purpose of the
'race and over-coming, or the purpose of the flesh dying, or the purpose
of living in the Spirit?
there are so many things to 'over-come' in our lifetime, our journeys,
without the Holy Commandment to guide and convict, there would be
no power or point in even trying to please our Maker.

you are free to take the path that you choose, we choose to follow Christ
and imitate Him, and as Paul has said, 'I would have not known sin,
except the Law had said, thou shall not covet.'
so, like Paul, we use it as our guide in how to behave, knowing that
it 'works not salvation' or 'forgiveness of sin', but it truly
lights our paths, as it is written, 'the Law is a lamp unto my feet',
and again, 'I Am The Light of the world.'

Lets run the race. It starts in the New Covenant. The Old Covenant is over. Done Away.

Are you perfected by your work at the Law? No. You are perfected by Christ. Abide in Him.

You honor the wrong Law. You work at the Law when you should be coming to Christ.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

What is this Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus and why is the law of sin and death Done Away?

 

[Hizikyah]

Bump because I thik people ignore their Savior's words:


Matt 5:17-18, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

All of the "OT" has not yet been fulfilled, the Messiah still has to return, the 7 Feast days are not only about the Sacrifice of Messiah butrather the entire works of Messiah, including Hiis return, aka "The Feast of Trumpets" but if people belive its already over they can be caught sleeping...

"Unless heaven and earth passes away'

"For the first heaven and the first earth had passed away"

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

2 John (Yahchanan) 1:9, "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Messiah, hath not Yah."

John (Yahchanan) 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166. poimén)."

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John (Yahchanan) 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

 

[Ahwatukee]

Matt 5:17-18, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

People who promote the keeping of the law always use the scripture above, not realizing that it doesn't support their position. What the scripture is saying is that, Jesus didn't come to treat the law as nothing, setting aside, but He came to fulfill it i.e. meet its requirements and bring it to its completion. Jesus did not come to perpetuate the law.

We have two major letters one to the Galatians and the other to the Romans, which validates that we are saved by grace through faith apart from the works of the law. Those who are trusting in the works of the law are trusting in their own efforts and thereby have adopted the same error of Israel, who sought and are seeking their own way of becoming righteous with God, but as if it were by works.

The counsel in Jerusalem settled the issue of circumcision and the keeping of the works of the law, as follows:

The Claim by the Pharisees:

"Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

The Answer:

"The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

In case you attempt to do what most expositors do, which is to redefine the meaning of "the law of Moses," the above refers to the entire law, which includes the ten commandments, feasts, Holy days, abstaining from foods and all the rest of the 600 and something other laws.

To be clear, the law is holy and righteous, but human beings are the problem in that, we have a sinful nature that does not allow us to keep the law perfectly and therefore brings death when we break it, which stood against us and brought death, for the power of sin is the law. Consequently, it still brings death to those who put themselves under it instead of trusting in the One who met the righteous requirements of the law, who kinned himself to us in the flesh, Jesus Christ. It is Him and His finished work on the cross that we are to look to for our salvation and not to our own works. Whenever someone attempts to gain favor with God by their own works, then they are not truly trusting in Christ. It's the same as saying to the Lord, your sacrifice was insufficient.

In the scripture above, when Peter said, "He did not discriminate between us and them" he meant that God did not discriminate between Israel who was under the law vs. Gentiles who did not have the law, in that both groups received the Spirit and gifts, God purifying their hearts by faith. Not because they kept the law or didn't keep the law, not because they were baptized, not because of any works done on their part, but by believing in Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected. It is by responding to God's in-birthing of faith regarding the revelation of His Son that we are saved.

We are completely free in Christ! But as Paul said, let us use our freedom for righteousness sake unto good works. The true Spirit filled believer in Christ is zealous for good works, but not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glorify God and by doing so we are also building up our treasures in heaven.

I will leave you with this: you promote the keeping of the Sabbath as a requirement for salvation. But it is revealing that in none of the letters to the seven churches, representing the entire church period, that in none of Jesus' rebukes, he never once mentions not keeping the Sabbath? In fact, the word Sabbath does not even appear in the book of Revelation. You would think that, according to you and disciplemike, that something so detrimental to ones eternal life, that the Sabbath would be mentioned at least once.

 

[Hizikyah]

John (Yahchanan) 7:16-17 "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching--whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

You are quoting words that are not in the original manuscripts... add words, not inspired...



Acts 15:19-21, "Therefore, my judgment is that we should not make difficulties for those of the Gentiles who turn to Yahweh, But rather, write to them that they abstain from defilements: such as idolatry, from all sexual impurity, from that which has been cooked with the blood still in it, and from bloodshed by violence-- For Mosheh, from the earliest times, has in every city those who preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath Day."

The Yerusalem Council--Their Decree
Acts 15:22 Then the apostles, the elders, and all the called out ones decided to send chosen men oftheir own company to Antioch with Shaul and Barnabas- -Yahdah surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers. 23 They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brothers, to the brothers who are ofthe Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. 24 1aSince we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you, and unsettled; brought confusion to, your minds through statements which are not authorized by us; 25 It seemed right to us, being gathered together with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Shaul: 26 Men who have risked their lives for the Name ofour Savior, Yahshua Messiah. 27 Therefore, we have sent Yahdah and Silas, who will also tell you these same things by mouth. 28 For it was judged right by the Holy Spirit, and us, to put on you no more requirements, than those which are required in the Law ofYahweh: 29 1aThat you abstain from godworship (worship ofelohim), from bloodshed by violence, from things cooked with the blood still in them, and from all sexual impurity--from which you will do well to keep yourselves. Farewell! 30 So when they were sent off, they came to Antioch; and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the letter. 31 When they had read it, the people rejoiced for the consolation. 32 And Yahdah and Silas, who were themselves prophets, exhorted the brothers with many words, and strengthened and established them. 33 And after they had remained there for a time, they were sent back to the apostles by the brothers, with the blessing ofPeace! a. Verses 15:19,20,24 and 29 -- The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, Pages 457-458

Acts 15:24Parallel Verses

New International Version
We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

New Living Translation
"We understand that some men from here have troubled you and upset you with their teaching, but we did not send them!

English Standard Version
Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,

New American Standard Bible
"Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,

King James Bible
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Because we have heard that some without our authorization went out from us and troubled you with their words and unsettled your hearts,

International Standard Version
We have heard that some men, coming from us without instructions from us, have said things to trouble you and have unsettled you.

NET Bible
Since we have heard that some have gone out from among us with no orders from us and have confused you, upsetting your minds by what they said,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“We hear that men among us went out and have alarmed you with words and have subverted your souls, as they were saying, 'Be circumcised and keep The Law', which we have not commanded them.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
We have heard that some individuals who came from us have confused you with statements that disturb you. We did not authorize these men [to speak].

Jubilee Bible 2000
forasmuch as we have heard that certain ones who went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the law, to whom we gave no such commandment,

King James 2000 Bible
Since we have heard that certain who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, You must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

American King James Version
For as much as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, You must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

American Standard Version
Forasmuch as we have heard that certain who went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls; to whom we gave no commandment;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Forasmuch as we have heard, that some going out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls; to whom we gave no commandment:

Darby Bible Translation
Inasmuch as we have heard that some who went out from amongst us have troubled you by words, upsetting your souls, [saying that ye must be circumcised and keep the law]; to whom we gave no commandment;

English Revised Version
Forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls; to whom we gave no commandment;

Webster's Bible Translation
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain who went out from us, have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law; to whom we gave no such commandment:

Weymouth New Testament
As we have been informed that certain persons who have gone out from among us have disturbed you by their teaching and have unsettled your minds, without having received any such instructions from us;

World English Bible
Because we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law,' to whom we gave no commandment;

Young's Literal Translation
seeing we have heard that certain having gone forth from us did trouble you with words, subverting your souls, saying to be circumcised and to keep the law, to whom we did give no charge,

19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

KJV The Letter to the Gentile Believers

22Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

19Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, 20but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. 21For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers

ESV 22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, 23with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothersc who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. 24Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled youd with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

AMP 19 Therefore it is my opinion that we should not put obstacles in the way of and annoy and disturb those of the Gentiles who turn to God,20 But we should send word to them in writing to abstain from and avoid anything that has been polluted by being offered to idols, and all sexual impurity, and [eating meat of animals] that have been strangled, and [tasting of] blood. 21 For from ancient generations Moses has had his preachers in every town, for he is read [aloud] every Sabbath in the synagogues. 22 Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole church, resolved to select men from among their number and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, [both] leading men among the brethren, and sent them. 23 With [them they sent] the following letter: The brethren, both the apostles and the elders, to the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings: 24 As we have heard that some persons from our number have disturbed you with their teaching, unsettling your minds and [e]throwing you into confusion, although we gave them no express orders or instructions [on the points in question], 25 It has been resolved by us in assembly to select men and send them [as messengers] to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men who have hazarded their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 So we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will bring you the same message by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to lay upon you any greater burden than these indispensable requirements: 29 That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from [tasting] blood and from [eating the meat of animals] that have been strangled and from sexual impurity. If you keep yourselves from these things, you will do well. Farewell [be strong]!

1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God?"

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17
New American Standard Bible
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

King James Bible
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


SEED is word #G4690 spermaStrong's Concordance
sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed
Original Word: sp??µa, at??, t?
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Short Definition: seed, offspring
Definition: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.

 

[Hizikyah]

I will leave you with this: you promote the keeping of the Sabbath as a requirement for salvation. But it is revealing that in none of the letters to the seven churches, representing the entire church period, that in none of Jesus' rebukes, he never once mentions not keeping the Sabbath? In fact, the word Sabbath does not even appear in the book of Revelation. You would think that, according to you and disciplemike, that something so detrimental to ones eternal life, that the Sabbath would be mentioned at least once. [/FONT]

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Faith + no works = dead

Works + no faith = dead

We need faith and works, AND OUR FAITH AND OUR WORKS HAS TO BE POINTED AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION

Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law."

In speaking of the endtimes why did the one we must obey say this;

Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Yahchanan (John) 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John (Yahchanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John (Yahchanan) 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Isayah 42:21, "YHWH is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"


Obedience is required for Salvation, faith and obedience.

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors and their works do follow them!"

Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Why would MEssiah IN A MESSAGE ONLY TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM, be saying pray its not on the Sabbath?

Is He saying that since the Sabbath is "every day" pray it never happens? NO, every day is a lie.

Or is He saying this because the Sabbath is still valid in the endtimes?

Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of Yahweh."

4520 - sabbatismos
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Short Definition: a Sabbath rest
Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition - a sabbath rest
1 Occurrence

4521 - sabbaton
sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week
Definition: the Sabbath, a week.
Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath
Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
68 Occurrences

 

[Yonah]

Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

 

[Yonah]

Jer 6:16 Thus said יהוה, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves. But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.’

 

[Yonah]

Jer 6:16 כה אמר יהוה עמדו על־דרכים וראו ושׁאלו לנתבות עולם אי־זה דרך הטוב ולכו־בה ומצאו מרגוע לנפשׁכם ויאמרו לא נלך׃

 

[miknik5]

Not all has been accomplished. The law will remain because not all men know how to handle the law rightly not combining the INNER promptings of THE SPIRIT with the outward visible workings of the flesh...

Until all things are brought into submission to HIM, there are still enemies.
When HE has put the last of HIS enemies under HIM, then will all have been accomplished.

Until then, the law remains...for wicked men (who do not have THE SPIRIT and therefore do not always do what is is right according to the SPIRIT of GOD'S WORD and law...

 

[miknik5]

There was a covenant promised you know that HE would give us a NEW HEART and a NEW SPIRIT...

That covenant is in effect...but not all have been affected by that Covenant...therefore not all will listen to HIS VOICE/HIS SPIRIT...