Don't Argue.. Encourage.

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starfield

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It is because of all the different denominations that the Church is in the mess it is in.I do not believe that God wanted His people forming a hundred different opinions about what His word meant.We are all supposed to be one in God.As Christians it is up to us to spread the Good News,tell those who do not know of Him that He loves them and offers them eternal life.We are also to tell those who are back-sliding what they are doing wrong.IT IS NOT FOR US TO JUDGE ANYONE.We are not equal to God,only God can judge and He will one day.
Rightly stated!

In addition, it is the believer’s duty to bring the lost back to Christ, however we cannot force them. Argument is not necessary in winning the lost. We place the word in their hearts, pray for them, and leave it to the Holy Ghost to do His work by convicting their hearts.

 

daddycat

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no not at all I am saying what you say I am saying for I believe all the Bible
1jo 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:1jo 2:2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
notice here it says "if". We have a choice to sin or not to sin through the power of the Spirit .

but it also says to:

Php 3:9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:Php 3:10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;Php 3:11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.Php 3:12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.Php 3:13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,Php 3:14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.Php 3:15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Thaddeus.. I find your posts very hard to read, and mostly find myself skipping over them, and it's not because of the content. It's because all the 'shouting' hurts my eyes and gives me a headache. Please, just choose a font size, preferably one close to the same as others use, and stick with it. Thanks.
 
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In addition, it is the believer’s duty to bring the lost back to Christ, however we cannot force them. Argument is not necessary in winning the lost. We place the word in their hearts, pray for them, and leave it to the Holy Ghost to do His work by convicting their hearts.

Ahh just a comment re: argument not being necessary in winning the lost...

Argument is necessary in many cases.


After we declare the Gospel, we then need to defend it, which most often involves an argument. The resources we have to help us with this are called apologetics.

This is a kind of "wrestling". Acts 18:19, Paul went into synagogues and reasoned, or argued, with the unbelievers. Argue, dispute, reason, etc..

OFten, people have wrong ideas about things and if those stumbling blocks (arguments) they throw at us can be removed with counter-arguments, that can get them thinking twice about what they believe.

Common ones are: God is evil and lets bad things happen to good people.
Christians are all hypocrites.

etc.
 

starfield

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Ahh just a comment re: argument not being necessary in winning the lost...

Argument is necessary in many cases.


After we declare the Gospel, we then need to defend it, which most often involves an argument. The resources we have to help us with this are called apologetics.

This is a kind of "wrestling". Acts 18:19, Paul went into synagogues and reasoned, or argued, with the unbelievers. Argue, dispute, reason, etc..

OFten, people have wrong ideas about things and if those stumbling blocks (arguments) they throw at us can be removed with counter-arguments, that can get them thinking twice about what they believe.

Common ones are: God is evil and lets bad things happen to good people.
Christians are all hypocrites.

etc.
"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;" (2 Timothy 2:23-25)

Avoid foolish questions like “Does God exist” or “Christians are hypocrites”...some discussions do not need one’s participation.

Arguments does not solve problems, it only leads to more strife. You are to speak to an unbeliever in love and humility not with strife. In Acts 18:19, Paul did not argue with them but reasoned. "Argument" and "reason" do not mean the same thing. Reason means to think rationally while arguments are irrational.
 
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“Does God exist” or “Christians are hypocrites”...

These are not foolish questions but very truthful statements and before these stumbling blocks are removed, they won't be able to receive the Gospel.

If you use the word "argument" in the sense of irrational arguments, I agree. These don't do any good. But you should clarify what you mean. Argument in general encompasses both rational and irrational arguments. Whenever you present the gospel to someone and they disagree , that is an argument started right there.

Rational arguments are as you said, reasonings, exhortation, etc, that attempts to convince a person through well-thought out logical arguments with supporting evidence (Scripture, history, experience etc).
Nothing wrong with these.

In evangelism, these kind of arguments are unavoidable and Christians have many apologetics resources available today to be able to dispute.

There's nothing wrong with arguments that make unbelievers angry.
That is why the opponents of the Christian most often wanted to kill them!
Examples:

Barnabus:
Act 9:29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.


Paul:

Act 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.
Act 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

You know why there's not many converts today don't you?
Because people use methods such as you described, which is going to unbelievers with a feather and tickling them with niceties rather than sticking a sword (of God's Word) right into their heart and mind.

The way we love people is to declare the Gospel, don't confuse God's type of love with the love of this world, pluralism, relativism, new age, humanism, which is basically elevating man above God , and have more respect for the feelings of the unbeliever than actually doing what God commands by preaching the truth, even if it hurts. But watch out, the tolerance and politically correct police are out in force! Even in the church.
 
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