Try reading it the way it is meant,"justified by faith apart from the Jewish Law"
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Try reading it the way it is meant,"justified by faith apart from the Jewish Law"
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eternally-gratefull
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No. It says the opposite.
As shown, Abraham was saved before he did one work.
David declares in that same passage, blessed is the man to whome God will not impute sin.
Their works were a result of faith and salvation not the other way around, this would make salvation depend on us, And make the death of CHrist insufficient, or to be honest, null and void and not needed.
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eternally-gratefull
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No. We would have to change the word of God, and add to it.
Maybe your ok twisting and adding to the word. But some of us take God for what he says.
yes, it is a separation from God, Obeying the Gospel (including baptism) reconciles you with God, God will not obey the Gospel for you.
in regard to your ignorant comparison to "filthy rags" Isaiah 64:6, maybe you should back up and look at Isaiah 64:5
God will accept and bless those who "worketh righteousness"
Isaiah 64:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5[/SUP]Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
No place in the bible is baptism called a penalty, it is a part of what is required to reconcile your self with God, nobody, not even God can or will do that for you.
If you read it in context you would see it is the Jewish Law Paul refers to, but you cannot because it destroys your man made doctrine.
So then if God does all the work, it is his fault if someone is lost, good salvation plan you have there.
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eternally-gratefull
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he already did,
He said it is finished, he did not say I did my part. now you do yours.
he will accept and bless only those who work those out of faith.
not like you, in self righteousness (in order to make gain for yourself)
right,
then it is not a part of the payment,
youjust proved me right, thank you, it will NOT MAKE YOU CLEAN, as it WILL NOT PAY YOUR DEBT!
He did not say what they were doing was not what he said to do, he is implying they have not done ALL he said to do.
you pulling things out of context.
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eternally-gratefull
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lol no.
He did all the work. and wants to hand you his gift.
But you have to take it.
You can;t reject it, Or try to pay for it.
How would you feel if you tried to offer someone yuo love a gift. And they either refused to take it. or demanded you let them pay for it?
well thats what your saying we should do to God.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
No. thats your mr twisty stuff.
I already proved it by showing what it means to boast. and how you can boast of yoru works outside the law. But you do not want to see this (you did not even respond to it) (thought i missed that did you? its ok. I know why you did not respond to it.
Take pride and boast in your baptism in water.
I will give my basting to where it is due, to God who baptised me
you're saying God obeyed the Gospel for you?
He said He was finished, he didn't say "I saved you, now go throughout the whole world and do nothing"
He said "who does righteousness" that is a work. "do" implies work.
There is no payment, baptism is not a payment it is a command that is given by Christ to remit sins, you must obey this command as well as the others, to be obedient, to be righteous.
maybe in a few hundred more posts you get it.
If you can completely keep the law of Moses as Christ did, then you do not need Christ, and you can boast.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Yes, what do you think he did on the cross? He took the certificate of death against me, and paid it in full..
Same old argument, You think saying the same thing will make you more right? Non of us have been saying he did. Thats your faulty interpretation of what we believe.
Those who have faith WILL WORK. It never says they may work, or might work. That again is your faulty definition of what the word faith means.
so whats your argument?
If it is not a payment, then it can never help wash us make us clean and cleans our sins.
lol. I have been studying this for 20 some years. I have heard, contemplated, and studied deeply every argument yuo have made, and many more you have not made.
I will never get something which is not true.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Or I can be as the pharisees and boast of being a jew, Boast of getting circumcised. Boast of not being a gentile. Boast of not being a sinner, Boast of being baptized. Etc Etc Etc.
Stop trying to force only the works of the law into boasting, Abraham never was given the law. Thus he could not be held accountable to it.
Man has been under law since Adam and Eve were told not to eat the forbidden fruit my friend.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
No, You do.
You just admitted Christ did not pay your debt in full. enough said.
in other words, you deny what Paul said.
Col 1:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead
The working of God. not the working of men, in water, The man who baptized you did not raise Christ from the dead, The one who baptized me DID raise Christ from the dead.
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13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
You deny this happened. And for that, I will pray for you
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J-Kay-2
Guest
MsLimpet.... I just started reading your post. You start by saying you really
received a good Word from his preaching, right ?
Are you kidding about not liking him saying we have to accept Jesus Christ
to be saved ? Surely you do not believe he is false teacher regarding salvation.
"No man can see the Father without receiving Christ as Savior."
John 3:16..... FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS OWN BEGOTTEN
SON, AND WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
I did not read all the replies so if I misunderstand you I apologize. If I
did read you right, gosh.... that blew me out of the ball park. I was not
expecting that comment.
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J-Kay-2
Guest
So what is the outcome ? Did MsLimpet understand Jesus Christ is the
only way to be saved ? No man can see the Kingdom of God unless he
be born again ? I sure hope so. If I don't forget, I will check back tomorrow.
Good night
only way to be saved ? No man can see the Kingdom of God unless he
be born again ? I sure hope so. If I don't forget, I will check back tomorrow.
Good night
I will say that I believe Charles Stanley is a false teacher, and if what your quoting mrslimpet on (above) is what you are rewording as if she said you don't have to accept Christ to be saved, I can assure you, you have miss represented what she said,
What she said in other words is "calling on the name of the Lord" is not just a sinners prayer, it is more than Charles Stanley pretends it to be, it is obeying the Gospel, all of it...