some Christian don't believe in dreams but I believe in it a lot because God has spoken to me so Many times?
Dreams has a Lot of meaning. what are the mean of those Dreams ?
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.. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in an unconscious wandering mind, its rarely God speaking? jmo
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it is so easy to say 'God spoke to me' how do we know God spoke to you?
because YOU said He spoke to you?
God speaks first and FOREMOST by His written word. NOT dreams or visions and not through so called new revelation that does not agree with His written word.
ANYONE who puts dreams before the word, is derailed
That's how we got the word of God you know. Because people who wrote it said God spoke to them so as to have them write those things that he said down.
That's kind of harsh.
I have had dreams that are what some call precognitive. I've also had dreams that are absurd. Or, horrifying and I'm glad I wake up and realize it was all just a nightmare. Diet and particularly eating certain foods before bedtime have a lot of effect on the unconscious mind during REM.
I can't say God doesn't speak to us through dreams. I also can't say that God is obligated to follow any rules man sets down as what constitutes valid proof God speaks. I believe with the holy spirit within us we are to take patience and discern what is right or wrong. Even about our dreaming.
According to Joel 2 it will be old men of Israel that will dream dreams.
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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7seasrekeyed
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"SaintMichaels, post: 3620732, member: 271115"]That's how we got the word of God you know. Because people who wrote it said God spoke to them so as to have them write those things that he said down.
did you read the op? it's about dreams. we did not get the Bible because Moses and everyone else who wrote it had a dream or a bunch of dreams
That's kind of harsh.
is it? so we all should put dreams ahead of the revealed word of God? the Bible? whose dreams would be more important and would we vote for the best dreamer and follow them instead? the Bible makes it more than plain that the written word is our guide...so if you find that harsh, take it up with the One who inspired it
I have had dreams that are what some call precognitive. I've also had dreams that are absurd. Or, horrifying and I'm glad I wake up and realize it was all just a nightmare. Diet and particularly eating certain foods before bedtime have a lot of effect on the unconscious mind during REM.
what does any of that have to do with the op?
I can't say God doesn't speak to us through dreams. I also can't say that God is obligated to follow any rules man sets down as what constitutes valid proof God speaks. I believe with the holy spirit within us we are to take patience and discern what is right or wrong. Even about our dreaming.
I never said God does not speak to people through dreams..so don't try and say that I did thank you. God absolutely DOES and HAS rules and one of them is His written word is above any dream or imagination.
the Holy Spirit does NOT say the opposite of the Bible. however, far too many people these days take the liberty...whether through ignorance or rebellion...just ignore that and imagine they have some fanciful thing to say that God NEVER said or intended for them to say
God is obligated to keep His word. He says so Himself. He is NOT obligated to keep our words
did you read the op? it's about dreams. we did not get the Bible because Moses and everyone else who wrote it had a dream or a bunch of dreams
That's kind of harsh.
is it? so we all should put dreams ahead of the revealed word of God? the Bible? whose dreams would be more important and would we vote for the best dreamer and follow them instead? the Bible makes it more than plain that the written word is our guide...so if you find that harsh, take it up with the One who inspired it
I have had dreams that are what some call precognitive. I've also had dreams that are absurd. Or, horrifying and I'm glad I wake up and realize it was all just a nightmare. Diet and particularly eating certain foods before bedtime have a lot of effect on the unconscious mind during REM.
what does any of that have to do with the op?
I can't say God doesn't speak to us through dreams. I also can't say that God is obligated to follow any rules man sets down as what constitutes valid proof God speaks. I believe with the holy spirit within us we are to take patience and discern what is right or wrong. Even about our dreaming.
I never said God does not speak to people through dreams..so don't try and say that I did thank you. God absolutely DOES and HAS rules and one of them is His written word is above any dream or imagination.
the Holy Spirit does NOT say the opposite of the Bible. however, far too many people these days take the liberty...whether through ignorance or rebellion...just ignore that and imagine they have some fanciful thing to say that God NEVER said or intended for them to say
God is obligated to keep His word. He says so Himself. He is NOT obligated to keep our words
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7seasrekeyed
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King James Bible Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
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7seasrekeyed
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sigh
so does that mean we place dreams over the word?
I wish people would pay attention to what I said instead of defending what I did not say
using a verse like it was shot out of a cannon does absolutely nothing to confirm or even disavow the op
I mean what does that even mean to people? I garantee it means different things to different people because they do NOT have the whole picture but wish to defend their beliefs because doggone it...it is very difficult to actually quit doing what you think is right as opposed to what is actually right
disclaimer: not intended for anyone to be targeted in the above post but you don't have to defend dreams. the Bible has many dream stories related for one reason or another. what you do actually have to defend? you actually have to defend that God actually spoke to you in a dream and that is well nigh impossible on a forum
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7seasrekeyed
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I don't have time right now to search out all that scripture states regarding dreams, so I am just inserting some common sense from scripture itself, from another site and including the source for anyone who wants to read more
you should be looking for a balanced and biblical understanding of dreams, which this article provides
The Bible talks of some dreams that are deceptive (Jeremiah 23:25-27). Most dreams are a natural part of the sleeping state. The Bible talks about the fleeting and unreal nature of dreams (Psalms 126:1; Isaiah 29:8).
Ecclesiastes 5:3 says, “A dream comes through much activity,” implying that normal dreams are natural outgrowths of the stimuli we receive in our waking hours. Dreams could come as a result of our own thoughts, what we hear others say, as well as from material we read or watch (movies or videos).
and most important:
Joel did prophesy of a future time, before Jesus Christ’s return, when there would be heavenly signs and “your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions” (Joel 2:28-31). The apostle Peter used this prophecy to help explain the special miracles that accompanied the giving of God’s Spirit on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:15-17). But it is clear from the New Testament example that Christians are to seek God’s Word from the inspired Scriptures and sound biblical teaching, not private interpretations (2 Timothy 3:15-17; 2 Timothy 4:2-4; 2 Peter 1:20-21).
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you should be looking for a balanced and biblical understanding of dreams, which this article provides
The Bible talks of some dreams that are deceptive (Jeremiah 23:25-27). Most dreams are a natural part of the sleeping state. The Bible talks about the fleeting and unreal nature of dreams (Psalms 126:1; Isaiah 29:8).
Ecclesiastes 5:3 says, “A dream comes through much activity,” implying that normal dreams are natural outgrowths of the stimuli we receive in our waking hours. Dreams could come as a result of our own thoughts, what we hear others say, as well as from material we read or watch (movies or videos).
and most important:
Joel did prophesy of a future time, before Jesus Christ’s return, when there would be heavenly signs and “your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions” (Joel 2:28-31). The apostle Peter used this prophecy to help explain the special miracles that accompanied the giving of God’s Spirit on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:15-17). But it is clear from the New Testament example that Christians are to seek God’s Word from the inspired Scriptures and sound biblical teaching, not private interpretations (2 Timothy 3:15-17; 2 Timothy 4:2-4; 2 Peter 1:20-21).
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I am still waiting to hear from the OP about the dreams he had and what he did with those dreams.
Since we have the written of Word of God and it is complete as well as sufficient for all of our needs (2 Tim 3:16,17) then that is where our focus should be.
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7seasrekeyed
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don't hold your breath...
...and get all dizzy and stuffI mean the internet is stuffed like a big Greek olive with people's dreams/visions/trips to heaven etc and so many conflict
in fact just a few days back, I started a thread about Perry Stone and his 'visions' or dreams or whatever he says they are and by the time they would all come to pass, both coasts would be utterly destroyed...everybody dead and the folks who say Yellowstone is going to blow would have the entire center of the country gone...so...what is left?
and during the same time frame, they all keep asking for money for bigger and better planes, buildings and hocking their great visionary publications...t'aint no one gonna be left to read the things according to the ones who write them
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7seasrekeyed
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at any rate, we are supposed to look UP not in
and Jesus says not to be worried about these things
and Jesus says not to be worried about these things
I had dreams of a couple tragedies that came true. One was of 9/11. I dreamt it two months before it happened. Another was of a big plane that crashed in a certain way that's never happened before or since.
Jesus told us the kingdom of God is within. Not up.
I would think someone so opposed to the OP and gracious discourse should probably not participate in a discussion concerning the topic of the OP using ungracious uncivil tongue.
I'll just add to this discussion the fact that dreams are a factor in the scriptures both Old and New Covenant. As many know, God spoke to his people quite often in dreams. And as such it cannot be argued he would not do so now when through the blood of Christ the sons and daughters of God are reconciled to him.
And how did these dreams advance the cause of Christ?
On the other hand, you could become Official Prognosticator to the President.
Dream are dreams. What's there to "believe"? Go and preach the Gospel to every creature.
Just saying.....
In the past God spoke to our ancestors at many different times and in many different ways through the prophets. In these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors at many different times and in many different ways through the prophets. In these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.