Dual Covenant Theology

[eternally-gratefull]

​If we, individually, and corporately as the church, are the temple and habitation of God, do you think that if another temple is built in Jerusalem that God will dwell in two temples at once? Or if Christians are the temple ,what could be considered an abomination that would make desolate,or cause God to leave. Take heed if the light in you be darkness....how great is that darkness ....Darkness will cover the earth and gross darkness the people....

God was not in the second temple. I see no proof he ever was. it does not mean they will not make one.. and that someone will not commit what the jews would deem an abomination which makes desolate.

I think people think to much into things, and miss the whole picture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

don't derail this thread.
you've made your case already.

you're Arian and proud of it.
please start your own thread.
thanks

wow. and you get this how? Mark does not believe in dual covenant.. Not everyone who believes in a future kingdom does.. why is this so hard for you to comprehend.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Law of Love is the obedience of a child to their Heavenly Father.

Without the Death of the Messiah i would not of been born again to serve and worship in Spirit and Truth.

i feel secure and guided and will continue following the Light.

i have no religious ceremony... it is a New way to live and i abide here patiently.

i assure you all that this wretch knows by Grace she is saved.

Keeping the Commandments of Heavenly Father is love at work.

Without the Gospel i would be dead in my Trespasses.

And this is the message we need to get to the world. whether to the jews, or to the gentiles.. this is the message of salvation!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the church/denomination you attend decided to accept the dual theology what would you do?

I would do what I did. leave. They are not holding to the true gospel. and they do not understand Hebrews. which tells us Christ is over all things, Angels, prophets, the law, the levitical priests, and everything, the law and its ceremonies never saved anyone, and never will. Anyone who teaches otherwise teaches a false gospel. not From God.

 

[zone]

i'm going to reply so there's no confusion EG.

wow. and you get this how? Mark does not believe in dual covenant..

Originally Posted by zone TO MARK
don't derail this thread.
you've made your case already.

you're Arian and proud of it.
please start your own thread.
thanks

Arianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

Not everyone who believes in a future kingdom does.. why is this so hard for you to comprehend.

don't talk to me about comprehension.
and don't post about not knowing what you believe.
future kingdom IS dual covenant.
it's the only reason the eschatology exists.

a hold over and fable from the judaic thinking that there would be a carnal domination and subjugation of the gentiles under jewish rule, them not understanding it was never about that. that's why they didn't accept Jesus in the first place.

i have convictions, and one of them is when even a passive licence to SIN (murder racism domination theft and subversion) is granted to anyone - in this case The Pharisees in Palestine....the recipe and licence granted to them by themselves in their Oral Traditions.

i don't care how you color outside the lines in your own variety of this, it's part and parcel.

Daniel 9 is fulfilled. if it isn't you're not saved.

you figure out what that means.

if you ever repent of that sickening remark about no gentiles in Israel, you'll be better off.
bye then

 

[eternally-gratefull]

don't talk to me about comprehension.
and don't post about not knowing what you believe.
future kingdom IS dual covenant.
it's the only reason the eschatology exists.

And your a liar. and decieved by some hate that is in you for whatever reason.

I do not believe this, and to say the only reason I have to believe it is dual covenant is flat out wrong. Mark does not believe it either. we have both been saying it in this who thread, but you do not respond to that. you only respond to other stuff.. You know what they call this type of person?

In that case. the only reason ammilenialism exists is strong anti-semetism.. there do you like that? There is no other reason peoploe would believe if the jews as a nation did not repent, God would not restore them to their land.. what other reason would there be than a strict hatred of these people?

Of course I do not believe everyone who is amillenial is an antisemite. So I guess I am one up above you.. Since you think we are ALL DUAL covenant, which is flat out wrong!

a hold over and fable from the judaic thinking that there would be a carnal domination and subjugation of the gentiles under jewish rule, them not understanding it was never about that. that's why they didn't accept Jesus in the first place.

Yet the future kingdom does not even teach this. But you so angry for some reason, you can;t possibly listen to someone to see what is really believed.

The future kingdom said Christ, Not Jews, Will rule, he will rule jews as well as gentiles.

Yet it took them from Christ, because they forgot the part he needed to save them from their sin first.. but you do not want to hear this do you?

i have convictions, and one of them is when even a passive licence to SIN (murder racism domination theft and subversion) is granted to anyone - in this case The Pharisees in Palestine....the recipe and licence granted to them by themselves in their Oral Traditions.

And some christians sects are different? Why are you not fighting against the roman catholics and other legalistic christian sects like you are the jews? You have a hate that is beyond imagination for a people who need God no more than any other person who is not Gods child..

You seem to think I and Mark think God is going to save them, and give them power while they still reject Christ.. Well you would be in grave error./. we have NEVER STATED THIS

i don't care how you color outside the lines in your own variety of this, it's part and parcel.

Daniel 9 is fulfilled. if it isn't you're not saved.

I don't care how you color outside your lines either. You do not listen to anything we say, you claim we believe something which is not true, and your hatred against us is quite frankly unchristianlike

Dan 9 has NOTHING to do with my or anyone elses salvation. It has to do with the city of jeruslam and the people of Isreal turning from their sin, and finally comming to God, and relenting of their idol worship and their sins against the God who wanted so much for them.

you figure out what that means.

if you ever repent of that sickening remark about no gentiles in Israel, you'll be better off.
bye then

lol. Sickening? what you are sickened by prophetic history which claims Gentiles will be ruling jerusalem until the end of the age, when their time is up. Which is a WHOLE lot different than saying their will be saved gentiles living and prospering in jeruslalem. many did throughout the Old testament, but I have said this,, you just can't hear it!

Your sickened by hate and blindness you can't even understand what anyone is saying. You brought this on yourself when you claimed no one who believes in a future kingdom (under grace not law) can be your friend. Well that's too bad, if that's the way you want to be.. then your no better than the very pharisees you hate.

 

[mark54]

The Jews didn't accept Jesus in the first place because their hearts were hard, they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God, and wanted a righteousness of their own

And we now would be no different from them if our hearts had not been softened under the terms of the new covenant, and one day all of their hearts will be softened and they will ALL turn to Christ

As for Mark being an Arian
An Arian who had the scriptural requirement for salvation will enter the kingdom far easier than will a Trinitarian who in their heart condemns others for standing on the plain words of Christ unto salvation, for only a head theologist could do that, a person not led of the Holy Spirit in their thinking, for the Spirit WOULD NEVER contradict the requirement of belief unto salvation that Christ himself laid dowm as to who a person must believe him to be by adding to bit
But someone wise in their own eyes would

And I do not claim rto be an Arian BTW, just a Christian by the grace of God

 

[zone]

Of course I do not believe everyone who is amillenial is an antisemite. So I guess I am one up above you.. Since you think we are ALL DUAL covenant, which is flat out wrong!

surprise surprise

ya you're above me alright.
you don't even know what antisemitism is.

"Amillennialism = Antisemitism" actually = BRAINWASHING.

Dual Covenant/Millennialism IS ANTISEMITISM - a pass on the Gospel for jews.
and a licence for them to continue in rebellion.

The King already came and already rules.
period.

my last post to you. and Mark.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

surprise surprise

ya you're above me alright.
you don't even know what antisemitism is.

"Amillennialism = Antisemitism" actually = BRAINWASHING.

Dual Covenant/Millennialism IS ANTISEMITISM - a pass on the Gospel for jews.
and a licence for them to continue in rebellion.

The King already came and already rules.
period.

my last post to you. and Mark.

Surprise Surprise.

Niether Mark nor I believe in dual covenant.

But your afraid to even admit this.

thats fine, don't talk to us. the whole chat room just witnessed your rage against something which is not even true.. that we are dual covenant believers.

WHat you do from here on is between you and God. But I hope you see some repentance that you would hate on a brother in Christ (actually two of them) because of your hatred of a nation. (sorry, but I can see it no other way)

 

[zone]

Surprise Surprise.

Niether Mark nor I believe in dual covenant.

But your afraid to even admit this.

thats fine, don't talk to us. the whole chat room just witnessed your rage against something which is not even true.. that we are dual covenant believers.

WHat you do from here on is between you and God. But I hope you see some repentance that you would hate on a brother in Christ (actually two of them) because of your hatred of a nation. (sorry, but I can see it no other way)

anybody who has read the New Testament and claims Jesus is FOR ethnic cleansing of Palestine or anywhere else is not my brother.

you and your fake double standards.

you don't listen to anyone.
don't derail my thread.

 

[mark54]

Surprise Surprise.

Niether Mark nor I believe in dual covenant.

But your afraid to even admit this.

thats fine, don't talk to us. the whole chat room just witnessed your rage against something which is not even true.. that we are dual covenant believers.

WHat you do from here on is between you and God. But I hope you see some repentance that you would hate on a brother in Christ (actually two of them) because of your hatred of a nation. (sorry, but I can see it no other way)

Absolutely, I have never once claimed all Jews now living in the land will go to Heaven, so if that is what I am accused of it is groundless
But who can dare say that God in his plan cannot bring Jews back to the land BEFORE they have all turned to Christ
Who can fathom the mind of God, or tell Him how he must act. Who can reason why God does what he does? I know His plans are PERFECT and man cannot reason in his(or her head) that God must act a certain way and put him in a box
Sheer and utter folly

 

[mark54]

anybody who has read the New Testament and claims Jesus is FOR ethnic cleansing of Palestine or anywhere else is not my brother.

.

Whereas I wish the violence that happens in Israel did not happen, do you not believe ethnic cleansing was ordered by God when The Israelites took the land in the first place?

 

[zone]

Whereas I wish the violence that happens in Israel did not happen, do you not believe ethnic cleansing was ordered by God when The Israelites took the land in the first place?

you wish you wish you wish.
go read The New Covenant.

start your own thread on Jesus is FOR ethnic cleansing.
good luck to you.

this is where the veil comes off and we see who is who and who is going to answer for all these DEAD people who got a bullet instead of The Gospel,
including jews.

 

[mark54]

you wish you wish you wish.
go read The New Covenant.

start your own thread on Jesus is FOR ethnic cleansing.
good luck to you.

Can't you answer the question

Did God order ethnic cleanising when the Israelites took the land in the first place?

But let me restate, I personally wish there was no violence there now

 

[loveme1]

The Messiah came to clean our Spirit he said start with the inside.....

 

[zone]

Can't you answer the question

Did God order ethnic cleanising when the Israelites took the land in the first place?

start your own thread.
consider being born from above.
i won't be addressing your heretical anti-semitic and anti-gentile non gospel again.

 

[mark54]

start your own thread.
consider being born from above.
i won't be addressing your heretical anti-semitic and anti-gentile non gospel again.

Ya you condemn others for standing on the words of Christ unto salvation
But then continually stress you are standing up for the Gospel

Wisdom is always proved right by its incosistencies

 

[jimmydiggs]

Ya you condemn others for standing on the words of Christ unto salvation
But then continually stress you are standing up for the Gospel

Wisdom is always proved right by its incosistencies

Jesus is God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

anybody who has read the New Testament and claims Jesus is FOR ethnic cleansing of Palestine or anywhere else is not my brother.

Ethnic cleansing?

See this is how blind you are. who said anything about ethnic cleaning? this again is just your twisted logic of things where do do not listen to anything anyone says.

The final kingdom which rules Jerusalem is the final roman empire of iron and clay. they are the ones who will ethnic cleans Palestinians because as Muslims, they will worship no other God, and will get the death penalty for it. just like us true Christians will. if you want to hate one someone hate on him (oh wait, you do not believe he will come)

and PS. God is the one who will "cleanse" all unbelievers from the earth. Not me, Not the church Not anyone else.. so if your angry at God.. thats your problem.

yet again, you prove you have no clue what we believe, you have your preconceived notions of what you think, and are willing to act more like the pharisees you hate, then the child of God I know you are.

I have a palestinian living as my next door neighbor. I hope to be invited to go to jerusalem (their hometown) one day with them. Most palestinians do not follow the hate that we see between the isreal and palestinian muslim fanatics. They are great friends, and I hope to lead them to Christ one day, that when they do return to Jerusalem, they can bring Christ with them.. And win their JEWISH and PALESTINIAN friends to God.

you and your fake double standards.

lol. only in your head, because you refuse to listen to what anyone says. You assume you know what they believe, and in doing so, well you get the picture.

you don't listen to anyone.
don't derail my thread.

No, it is you who does not listen.

You already derailed it when you went off on Mike saying he believed things which are not true..

 

[mark54]

Jesus is God.

Well you tell me Jimmy, you are well read. Can a person led of the Holy Spirit refuse to accept the requirement of belief unto salvation that Christ himself laid down as to the person he must be believed to be by adding to it?