Dual Covenant Theology

[eternally-gratefull]

Whereas I wish the violence that happens in Israel did not happen, do you not believe ethnic cleansing was ordered by God when The Israelites took the land in the first place?

that is a little different.. God will not restor isreal by them killing off people. God will do this himself., Any non saved person (jew or gentile) in isreal at this day will be destroyed by God with their armies.. don't let her bait and trap you, she is knowledgeable in this stuff, and will trick you into saying things you are either not sure, or do not believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Absolutely, I have never once claimed all Jews now living in the land will go to Heaven, so if that is what I am accused of it is groundless
But who can dare say that God in his plan cannot bring Jews back to the land BEFORE they have all turned to Christ
Who can fathom the mind of God, or tell Him how he must act. Who can reason why God does what he does? I know His plans are PERFECT and man cannot reason in his(or her head) that God must act a certain way and put him in a box
Sheer and utter folly

It is like I have said, we can only guess at what will happen in the future, we will nto KNOW until it happens..

Again, the important thing is winning all people to christ, Not hating people who disagree with us on prophetic happenings.

 

[zone]

Ethnic cleansing?See this is how blind you are. who said anything about ethnic cleaning?

you did.
and you know it.

i'll get the post just so we're clear on it.
and you can stand up for what you believe and teach, right or wrong.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Well you tell me Jimmy, you are well read. Can a person led of the Holy Spirit refuse to accept the requirement of belief unto salvation that Christ himself laid down as to the person he must be believed to be by adding to it?

The only requirement of Salvation is the Grace of God. Belief, comes as a result.

You're question doesn't work with reality.

A person who is born of God will not deny who God is. One, cannot deny who Jesus is, for that is to deny who God is.

Jesus is God.

 

[mark54]

that is a little different.. God will not restor isreal by them killing off people. God will do this himself., Any non saved person (jew or gentile) in isreal at this day will be destroyed by God with their armies.. don't let her bait and trap you, she is knowledgeable in this stuff, and will trick you into saying things you are either not sure, or do not believe.

I know the way Zones mind works, and I hate to see the violence that now happens, the question was simply
Did God order ethnic cleansing when the Israelites originally entered the land, as she bought up those words

 

[mark54]

The only requirement of Salvation is the Grace of God. Belief, comes as a result.

You're question doesn't work with reality.

A person who is born of God will not deny who God is. One, cannot deny who Jesus is, for that is to deny who God is.

Jesus is God.

As you didn't answer the question I will leave it at that

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can't you answer the question

Did God order ethnic cleanising when the Israelites took the land in the first place?

But let me restate, I personally wish there was no violence there now

do you wish for Isreal to kill palestinians to gain land? or do you wish for all of them to be saved, and allow god to do what he wants? Isreal are unsaved,, why should they be killing people to gain land? at the same time, why should palestinians be killing jews.. what gives them the right, what gives anyone the right??

 

[zone]

that is a little different.. God will not restor isreal by them killing off people. God will do this himself., Any non saved person (jew or gentile) in isreal at this day will be destroyed by God with their armies.. don't let her bait and trap you, she is knowledgeable in this stuff, and will trick you into saying things you are either not sure, or do not believe.

you're on the run and you know it.
i've put up with this for years from you EG.
you better get serious about what you believe.

what's this nonsense?

that is a little different.. God will not restor isreal by them killing off people. God will do this himself.

just disgusting.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know the way Zones mind works, and I hate to see the violence that now happens, the question was simply
Did God order ethnic cleansing when the Israelites originally entered the land, as she bought up those words

I know.. lol..

 

[mark54]

do you wish for Isreal to kill palestinians to gain land? or do you wish for all of them to be saved, and allow god to do what he wants? Isreal are unsaved,, why should they be killing people to gain land? at the same time, why should palestinians be killing jews.. what gives them the right, what gives anyone the right??

I have not said anyone shoulds be killing anyone else now EG. I simply asked a question as what God ordered when they originally took the land

 

[zone]

I know the way Zones mind works, and I hate to see the violence that now happens, the question was simply
Did God order ethnic cleansing when the Israelites originally entered the land, as she bought up those words

you don't know anything about me....but i know who you are.
and we'll get to it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

do you wish for Isreal to kill palestinians to gain land? or do you wish for all of them to be saved, and allow god to do what he wants? Isreal are unsaved,, why should they be killing people to gain land? at the same time, why should palestinians be killing jews.. what gives them the right, what gives anyone the right??

Neither of the two should kill the either. Wholesale genocide, which is often advocated by the political right in this country through nicely put words is still wrong regardless of those subject.

I'm not claiming you advocate genocide, I haven't read your posts. All I can say is, I see a lot of the political right advocating thoroughly unbiblical foreign policies, and I am one of the most politically right-wing people I know.

 

[zone]

I have not said anyone shoulds be killing anyone else now EG. I simply asked a question as what God ordered when they originally took the land

where are your convictions?
either the killing is FOR CHRIST and good for the jews or it isn't.
no idea where Millennialism came from?

no of course not.

 

[mark54]

you don't know anything about me....but i know who you are.
and we'll get to it.

I know you are filled with much hate Zone, and it is not in order to defend the Gospel

 

[mark54]

where are your convictions?
either the killing is FOR CHRIST and good for the jews or it isn't.
no idea where Millennialism came from?

no of course not.

As you can't answer my question, don't expect me to respond to yours

 

[zone]

do you wish for Isreal to kill palestinians to gain land? or do you wish for all of them to be saved, and allow god to do what he wants? Isreal are unsaved,, why should they be killing people to gain land? at the same time, why should palestinians be killing jews.. what gives them the right, what gives anyone the right??

no philosophical whining EG.
show me in The New Testament where Jesus said ANYTHING about killing for the Kingdom.
and you put up it it, and allow for it.

repent and we're good to go.
if not, forget it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

As you didn't answer the question I will leave it at that

I did not answer the question as you phrase it, because it is not one that can be answered.

The only requirement for salvation is God's good Grace. Everything else, faith, repentence, belief in the deity of Christ, the atoning work of Christ, etc, etc... comes as a result. Just as crucifying the flesh is a result of Salvation, not the cause.

So, how can a I answer a question such as yours, when you ask about beliefs required for salvation?

I don't do the Sinner's Prayer, or any other similar formulation.

Step 1:Bow your head and clasp your hands
Step 2: "Jesus is God, Amen"
Step 3: Magically saved!

 

[zone]

As you can't answer my question, don't expect me to respond to yours

i'm not interested in your dialectic. stop muddying my thread.
you've already said what you believe.
move along.

you're not for the Gospel.
i got it.

 

[mark54]

I did not answer the question as you phrase it, because it is not one that can be answered.

G]

Now that did make me smile

 

[jimmydiggs]

I know you are filled with much hate Zone, and it is not in order to defend the Gospel

Maybe she does not intend to defend the Gospel. I guess that would not make the two of you all that different.