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throughfaith said:
Just that is says ' from.' Calvinism needs ' before the foundation. Although saying that some do change the verse to say that sadly .
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Why bring Calvin up?
You lose me in thought when you do this...
I asked you where did you get from again , from where does it say that in the Scripture I posted , I cannot see it...
 
Rosemaryx said:
Also the word designated , does that not show God had planned them people as part of His plan ?
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Yes, it was all part of his plan, I Believe Jesus offered to come if God promised that all who would believe would be given eternally to him, that was his motivation-as he said in his prayer, you gave them to me, OT only these but those who like them would believe,
 
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throughfaith said:
You could use any other word . Forced , held at Gun point , hypnotised ..All its saying they can come if drawn by the Father . It doesn't say they were drawn , or that anyone came. Most fled from Jesus after .
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Yep because they did not believe

yet God drew them that’s why they followed Jesus to begin with
 
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throughfaith said:
Just that is says ' from.' Calvinism needs ' before the foundation. Although saying that some do change the verse to say that sadly .
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Calvinism does not need anything

if it tru it’s true, whether it supports calvins teachings or not

been trying to help you understand this fact, but some things are to hard to break
 
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Rosemaryx said:
Why bring Calvin up?
You lose me in thought when you do this...
I asked you where did you get from again , from where does it say that in the Scripture I posted , I cannot see it...
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Because he cannot think outside of anything anti calvin, everything to him comes through a calvin lens.that’s why he can’t hear people and continues to mis represent them him and those like him
 
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throughfaith said:
No we deny the philosophy that caused this whole mess to begin with . Look up Augustines first introducing these concepts into christianity in the forth century . Its Gnosctism.
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A changing, shifting, shadow of turning mutable God you have? No thanks.
 
OIC1965 said:
A changing, shifting, shadow of turning mutable God you have? No thanks.
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his nature and attributes never change. But if you treat everything as if its the same before and After the Cross , resurrection, Giving of the Spirit , Acts 2 , Paul's conversion ect then you will be confused .
 
God foreknows everything and everybody because He designed all of His creation for His purpose.
God doe not save because of anything we do or salvation would be by works instead of by GRACE. Grace is unmerited favor. Unmerited means you didn't deserve it. Salvation is the free gift to His beloved. solo Deo gratia
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
God foreknows everything and everybody because He designed all of His creation for His purpose.
God doe not save because of anything we do or salvation would be by works instead of by GRACE. Grace is unmerited favor. Unmerited means you didn't deserve it. Salvation is the free gift to His beloved. solo Deo gratia
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I agree, except he did not design the non believer for hell. Or hell for the non believer
 
1 Peter 1-3

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

It's best to not make doctrines from ONE verse.
 
throughfaith said:
like i said ,what difference does it make . Before the cross happened, before Jesus was born as a baby people were learning of the Father after Jesus says this. " And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Before this it simply says the Fathers prerequisite was to be drawn by the Father . It doesn't say he actually drew anyone . Just that one one could come unless the Father drawed . Notice they can come though if Drawn . Most left Jesus .
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Here’s a question. Can a person hear from the Spirit and learn from the Spirit and believe and be saved? Or is that always the case?

I think it’s always the case.
 
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