Election by God Is According to His will, not man’s Will to believe

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It is our human nature to want to take some credit for our salvation; I am saved because I believed and my neighbor did not believe. Therefore, God foresaw my will to believe and chose me. But what does God’s word say? What God says is truth, the final word.

“…just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love. He destined us for adoption as his children through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will, … In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will,” (Eph 1:4-5, 11, NRSV)

Even before they had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose of election might continue, … So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. (Rom 9:11, 16, NRSV)

“who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace. This grace was given to us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,” (2Tim 1:9, NRSV)

“When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the word of the Lord; and as many as had been destined for eternal life became believers.” (Acts 13:48, NRSV)

“Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away; … No one can come to me unless drawn by the Father who sent me; and I will raise that person up on the last day… And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.” (John 6:37, 44, 65, NRSV)

So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace. (Rom 11:5-6, NRSV)

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.” (Eph 2:8-10, NRSV)

“For he has graciously granted you the privilege not only of believing in Christ, but of suffering for him as well—" (Phil 1:29, NRSV)

“but when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,” (Titus 3:4-5, RSV)

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance.” (1Pet 1:1-2, NRSV)

You did not choose me but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit, fruit that will last, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask him in my name.” (John 15:16, NRSV)

“But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13, NRSV)

Yes, and with that, do these verses agree.

[Eph 2:1, 5 KJV]
1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; ...
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
[Col 2:13 KJV]
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[Rom 5:19 KJV] 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 

Interesting how you phrased the question wrongly.
The question is "Is saving faith viewed as non-meritorious in the New Testament?"

AI's answer: In the New Testament, saving faith is predominantly viewed as non-meritorious, meaning it is not a "work" that earns or deserves salvation. Instead, it is the instrument or means by which a person receives the salvation already achieved by Jesus Christ."

Note that "means" means "condition".
 
It is our human nature to want to take some credit for our salvation; I am saved because I believed and my neighbor did not believe. Therefore, God foresaw my will to believe and chose me. But what does God’s word say? What God says is truth, the final word.

“…just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love. He destined us for adoption as his children through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will, … In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will,” (Eph 1:4-5, 11, NRSV)

Even before they had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose of election might continue, … So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. (Rom 9:11, 16, NRSV)

“who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace. This grace was given to us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,” (2Tim 1:9, NRSV)

“When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the word of the Lord; and as many as had been destined for eternal life became believers.” (Acts 13:48, NRSV)

“Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away; … No one can come to me unless drawn by the Father who sent me; and I will raise that person up on the last day… And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.” (John 6:37, 44, 65, NRSV)

So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace. (Rom 11:5-6, NRSV)

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.” (Eph 2:8-10, NRSV)

“For he has graciously granted you the privilege not only of believing in Christ, but of suffering for him as well—" (Phil 1:29, NRSV)

“but when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,” (Titus 3:4-5, RSV)

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance.” (1Pet 1:1-2, NRSV)

You did not choose me but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit, fruit that will last, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask him in my name.” (John 15:16, NRSV)

“But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13, NRSV)

it is encouraging to see "understanding" of the Word.

there has not been one person ""ever"" that followed Christ of their own will - if it were up to the individual, if the individual can of their own volition, seek Christ and follow --- then it is NOT A GIFT!

any thing a person can do to gain the Gift, has earn it!! 'accepting', 'believing' what ever
and everyone on this site believes 'obeying' is earning eternal life.
Sorry it is a free unearned Gift.

The few that spend time in the O T know some of those Christ used were selected before birth and some even before conception.

Please do not tell me obeying Jesus Christ is earning eternal life ---- that is 100% impossible!
 
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It does seem particularly difficult to argue that salvation comes before faith, given that 1 Corinthians 1:21 says that in God's Soverignty He was the one who decided that He would save those who believe the seemingly foolish gospel.

To have first become saved is the requirement in order for the preaching of the cross to not be perceived as foolishness and to be realized as the power of God. True belief comes only as a gift from God as a result of salvation not before salvation, because prior to salvation the gospel is foolishness to them (1Co 1:18) - only to those saved, is the gospel understood as the power of God.

[1Co 1:2 KJV] 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

[1Co 1:17 KJV] 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

[1Co 1:18 KJV] 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

[1Co 1:20 KJV] 20 Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
 
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it is encouraging to see "understanding" of the Word.

there has not been one person ""ever"" that followed Christ of their own will - if it were up to the individual, if the individual can of their own volition, seek Christ and follow --- then it is NOT A GIFT!

any thing a person can do to gain the Gift, has earn it!! 'accepting', 'believing' what ever
and everyone on this site believes 'obeying' is earning eternal life.
Sorry it is a free unearned Gift.

The few that spend time in the O T know some of those Christ used were selected before birth and some even before conception.

Please do not tell me obeying Jesus Christ is earning eternal life ---- that is 100% impossible!
How birthdays work in Calvinist households:

"MOM THIS ISNT A GIFT I HAVE TO OPEN THE PACKAGE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
 
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Romans 4 labours the point that faith is NOT a work of the law

Not when it is freely given to someone as a gift, otherwise, were it of the person, it would be a work. Faith was reckoned to Abraham - it was not of himself.

[Rom 4:9 KJV] 9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
 
Interesting how you phrased the question wrongly.
The question is "Is saving faith viewed as non-meritorious in the New Testament?"

AI's answer: In the New Testament, saving faith is predominantly viewed as non-meritorious, meaning it is not a "work" that earns or deserves salvation. Instead, it is the instrument or means by which a person receives the salvation already achieved by Jesus Christ."

Note that "means" means "condition".
So now you know. Fulfilling a condition is by default a meritorious work. Thats how you view salvation, by your work merit. Thats a false way of salvation i may add, for salvation is totally of grace.
 
Romans 4 labours the point that faith is NOT a work of the law
If we talking about Faith which is given by Grace, it isnt a work of the law, its Grace, but if you talking about human faith as a natural man, its a law faith Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
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Romans 4 labours the point that faith is NOT a work of the law


Faith is a gift; otherwise the effort, the will, simply coming to have faith -- is by your own efforts!
there is not one person that can look upon another and think,
I have faith and that poor fool does not!
that thought alone shows you do not understand, where faith comes from.
 
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Faith is a gift; otherwise the effort, the will, simply coming to have faith -- is by your own efforts!
there is not one person that can look upon another and think,
I have faith and that poor fool does not!
that thought alone shows you do not understand, where faith comes from.
That thought alone shows me you have been taught by people. The calvinist bots repeat these things that can never be obtained by anyone locked up in a room reading the Scriptures.

WHO is boasting of their faith? Who has done it? You have no idea what repentance is? Its all about being broken, if you are bragging about your faith, you have never repented.

The amount of destruction the not of works verse has caused the Church is just immense. Its simply talking about the works of the law, you arent justified by keeping the law of Moses thats it. IT DOESNT SAY anything about being obedient to Jesus
 
The amount of destruction the not of works verse has caused the Church is just immense. Its simply talking about the works of the law, you arent justified by keeping the law of Moses thats it. IT DOESNT SAY anything about being obedient to Jesus
A work is anything you make a condition to do b4 God will save you, its also a work of the flesh
 
That thought alone shows me you have been taught by people. The calvinist bots repeat these things that can never be obtained by anyone locked up in a room reading the Scriptures.

WHO is boasting of their faith? Who has done it? You have no idea what repentance is? Its all about being broken, if you are bragging about your faith, you have never repented.

The amount of destruction the not of works verse has caused the Church is just immense. Its simply talking about the works of the law, you arent justified by keeping the law of Moses thats it. IT DOESNT SAY anything about being obedient to Jesus

Oh my??
I have no idea who calvin is --- never met the man. LOL
Never read one word of his and have zero interest

Have you ever thought on this?
2I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau,
and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons
of the wilderness.

Before Esau was born, God chose him to be the bad guy.
It is up to God, not the person.

I won't post scriptures but some of those God used, He spoke of before they were conceived
some before birth.

there is zero a person can do --- even a willing spirit must come from our Father.

The Father is calling only those selected to be in the First Resurrection now, the few, this was set up before creation, so no one can boast!
at the 2nd resurrection the vast billions will get their one chance.

to understand this it must be given of the Father.
 
Oh my??
I have no idea who calvin is --- never met the man. LOL
Never read one word of his and have zero interest

Have you ever thought on this?
2I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau,
and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons
of the wilderness.

Before Esau was born, God chose him to be the bad guy.
It is up to God, not the person.

I won't post scriptures but some of those God used, He spoke of before they were conceived
some before birth.

there is zero a person can do --- even a willing spirit must come from our Father.

The Father is calling only those selected to be in the First Resurrection now, the few, this was set up before creation, so no one can boast!
at the 2nd resurrection the vast billions will get their one chance.

to understand this it must be given of the Father.
I have yes. Esau was never chosen to be a "bad guy". Read the story. Esau was simply not chosen to be the man from whom Israel comes from, the firstborn right went to Jacob instead.

Its talking about nations, the man Esau never served Jacob.

Genesis 25:23 And the Lord said unto her, “Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy body; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people, and the elder shall serve the younger.”

Do you understand where this belief system of yours leads? It leads to GOD being responsible for every rape, murder, every perverted thought, theft, you name it. Its all in God's mind in eternity past, decreeing it. That is sickening. We are just God's victims with no will to do otherwise.

The Scriptures do not teach this view of God, God hopes and doesnt get. He expected grapes, got wild grapes, He asks what more should I have done to my vineyard in isaiah 5.
God seeks for a man to stand the gap and finds none.
God wants to gather Jerusalem yet they were unwilling.
The pharisees REJECTED the counsel of God by not getting baptized
 
God made others to be responsible for doing those things
I don't think thats how it works. IF you make someone rob a bank for you, you are still responsible. But I get it, technically God cannot be put on trial no matter what. But just saying your view of God makes Him a very strange person that decrees what He claims to hate. The two wills schizo