Ellen White

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Ellen G. White has over 60 books to her credit. Some insist that much of what bears her name was plagarized from other works. Copyright laws were not what they are today.

She is the chief architect of bringing the Sabbath Day and Food Laws into the Adventist movement. She took them further than the OT food laws to encouraging vegetarianism. A very large percentage of SDA are vegetarians.

Historical Protestantism and Evangelicalism has typically cast the SDA as a cult not unlike the Mormons and Jehovah Wtinesses.

True true. She said that vegetarianism is a more healthy life style and you will have a better chance at happiness if you are healthy. The company Kellogg was founded based around SDA principles. Also a man who studied Ellen Whites teachings and who ran the SDA medical dept. went on to be a surgeon general of the US

I happen to be vegetarian. And most even modern day Evangelics and protostants consider it a cult.
 
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True true. She said that vegetarianism is a more healthy life style and you will have a better chance at happiness if you are healthy. The company Kellogg was founded based around SDA principles. Also a man who studied Ellen Whites teachings and who ran the SDA medical dept. went on to be a surgeon general of the US

I happen to be vegetarian. And most even modern day Evangelics and protostants consider it a cult.
I consider SDA a cult :)
 
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True true. She said that vegetarianism is a more healthy life style and you will have a better chance at happiness if you are healthy. The company Kellogg was founded based around SDA principles. Also a man who studied Ellen Whites teachings and who ran the SDA medical dept. went on to be a surgeon general of the US

I happen to be vegetarian. And most even modern day Evangelics and protostants consider it a cult.
I'll enjoy beef and pork and chicken for the both of us then ;)
 
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Hey Chopsui, you think Ellen white was a real prophet hey?

But I recall in a past discussion in this forum you thought that pornography was OK?

Yet Ellen White said this about masturbation:
In her book: "A Solemn Appeal" she writes that:
"If the practice [self-indulgence] is continued from the age of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous tumors. Some of nature's fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature's fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution; and death is the result." [36]
Females possess less vital force than the other sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air, by their in-door life. The result of self-abuse in them is seen in various diseases, such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, affections of the spine, and frequently, inward decay of the head. Cancerous humor, which would lie dormant in the system their lifetime, is inflamed, and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined, and insanity supervenes."[37]
 
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Hey Chopsui, you think Ellen white was a real prophet hey?

But I recall in a past discussion in this forum you thought that pornography was OK?

Yet Ellen White said this about masturbation:
In her book: "A Solemn Appeal" she writes that:
"If the practice [self-indulgence] is continued from the age of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous tumors. Some of nature's fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature's fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution; and death is the result." [36]
Females possess less vital force than the other sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air, by their in-door life. The result of self-abuse in them is seen in various diseases, such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, affections of the spine, and frequently, inward decay of the head. Cancerous humor, which would lie dormant in the system their lifetime, is inflamed, and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined, and insanity supervenes."[37]
God has a host of rules that he says don't do...I am sure that you do some of them and don't see the big deal...does this mean that you don't agree with God?
 
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I guess my point is, you consider Ellen White a prophetess, SDA's obviously respect her for her contribution to vegetarianism, however no scientist today would connect masturbation with
numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous tumors.
If she can be so misled on this subject, I just wonder how credible Ellen White's teachings are on other subects?

Or do you agree with her book that these illnesses will result ?
 
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I haven't read the exact quote so I wouldn't feel qualified to answer either way on that exact passage. However, what I have read of her, do lead me to believe that her writing on things like how to live are true.

I do think that if you sat around and masturbated 23 hours out of 24 then there could be some ramifications....
 
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I haven't read the exact quote so I wouldn't feel qualified to answer either way on that exact passage. However, what I have read of her, do lead me to believe that her writing on things like how to live are true.

I do think that if you sat around and masturbated 23 hours out of 24 then there could be some ramifications....
God's standard is holiness, He doesn't grade on a curve.
 
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I haven't read the exact quote so I wouldn't feel qualified to answer either way on that exact passage. However, what I have read of her, do lead me to believe that her writing on things like how to live are true.

Well I provided the quote as is, so all you have to do is read it.

If we like we can look at this website which defends her comments re: masturbation, which is really a poor effort at claiming that her views are correct. They try to explain that she was talking about moral decay rather than physical decay, but Ellen White's comments are clearly physical in nature, tumors? death? :

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/faq-unus.html


It claims that Ellen White's comments are correct and based on scientific evidence. Well, only two scientist they quote, not sure how reliable they are. That repeated masturbation can result in zinc loss through loss of semen which can result in madness or the diseases which she mentioned. But this doesn't explain Ellen White's comments directed toward women. And if what she wrote was true, there would be a lot more people with these diseases and dying from masturbation than not.

Conclusion? : Ellen White may have had visions and be a prophet , but as a reliable source for medical or scientific information, she's a quack!
 
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Answer this one. If Ellen White is a quack on medical advice. How is it that next to the Catholic church, the SDA church has the largest net work of schools and hospitals of any organized religion. The SDA medical/school system is based largely on her teaching about how to live. I am not talking about just elementary schools I am talking about Universities and medical schools. Loma Linda University is a top medical school. I won't lie, there are some SDA who don't believe in EG White.

You know what, people were saying the exact same thing, about no scientific evidence to support SDA teachings, back when doctors said to bleed peoples feet, or when health experts said eating meat 3 meals a day was healthy.
 
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I went and looked at the link, and I think you need to adjust your glasses and go re read it. Try reading it out loud so you don't miss anything. Because you obviously miss read the article.


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Few topics have generated more ridicule from critics than Ellen White's statements regarding "self-abuse," "solitary vice," "self-indulgence," "secret vice," "moral pollution," etc. Ellen White never used the term "masturbation."


It claims that Ellen White's comments are correct and based on scientific evidence. Well, only two scientist they quote, not sure how reliable they are.
I don't know....the 2 doctors that you don't know how reliable they are, both hold PH.D from Oxford university. Which is a very prestigious university.
 
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Answer this one. If Ellen White is a quack on medical advice. How is it that next to the Catholic church, the SDA church has the largest net work of schools and hospitals of any organized religion. The SDA medical/school system is based largely on her teaching about how to live. I am not talking about just elementary schools I am talking about Universities and medical schools.
Then I bet they are treating lots of tumors and other diseases caused by masturbation hey ? lol. If any organisation has enough funding they can do anything. I don't recall Jesus telling his disciples to start schools and hospitals.


I went and looked at the link, and I think you need to adjust your glasses and go re read it. Try reading it out loud so you don't miss anything. Because you obviously miss read the article.

Quote 1.
Few topics have generated more ridicule from critics than Ellen White's statements regarding "self-abuse," "solitary vice," "self-indulgence," "secret vice," "moral pollution," etc. Ellen White never used the term "masturbation."
You must have missed this part, which is only the next line (highlighed in bold)

Her first reference to this subject appeared in a 64-page pamphlet, An Appeal to Mothers, April 1864, nine months after her first comprehensive health vision. Primarily devoted to masturbation, pages 5 to 34 were from her own pen; the remainder consisted of quotations from medical authorities. [1]

And then this article proceed to defend her comments as though she was talking about masturbation. So she clearly is talking about masturbation.





I don't know....the 2 doctors that you don't know how reliable they are, both hold PH.D from Oxford university. Which is a very prestigious university.
The well known atheist, Richard Dawkins is from Oxford , so what? Just holding a degree doesn't really mean anything if they are messed up in the head.
 
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Then I bet they are treating lots of tumors and other diseases caused by masturbation hey ? lol. If any organisation has enough funding they can do anything. I don't recall Jesus telling his disciples to start schools and hospitals.




You must have missed this part, which is only the next line (highlighed in bold)




And then this article proceed to defend her comments as though she was talking about masturbation. So she clearly is talking about masturbation.







The well known atheist, Richard Dawkins is from Oxford , so what? Just holding a degree doesn't really mean anything if they are messed up in the head.
Rightly spoken. Isn't it funny to what extent cult members go to protect their false prophets?
 
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I really want to know more about SDA doctrine!!
 
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The SDA are in serious jeopardy. They teach that the food laws are in force, that the Sabbath is in force, etc.

Romans 7:1ff teach that it is equal to adultery for one to try to be under two covenants at one time. A Christian in not under the Law.
 
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Well, SDA consider themselves the remnant and the choosen people. Although I don't think your salvation is in jepardy because your not SDA but your Christian instead I think that you have a lot of superstisious beliefs that have no factual grounds.
 
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Well, SDA consider themselves the remnant and the choosen people. Although I don't think your salvation is in jepardy because your not SDA but your Christian instead I think that you have a lot of superstisious beliefs that have no factual grounds.

YOU are the remnant???? so...ummm what about the jewish people?
 
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What I should have said so that perhaps you can understand is what about the remnant of the house of Israel? (Is that who you say you are???) Also what about ALLLLL the SDA's who are DEAD and waiting all these years... I'm sure they well exceed 144,000... just a thought wondering what you could possibly be thinking that a RELIGION would make you chosen. If your Church says its the only way ITS WRONG!! Salvation through the blood of our LORD and SAVIOR Christ Jesus is the way... THE ONLY WAY. Praying for you to understand this and break off your religious chains and come into the GLORY of LIFE lived for God filled with the HOLY SPIRIT through belief and receiving of the Grace of Jesus Christ. Praise the LORD!!!
 
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I think I've come to the conclusion that any denomination or church or individual who say they are the remnant , are not the remnant.
 
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