Emmanuel (which means, God with us)
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The Mystery of God, we may never understand.
Understand that he took away apart of his Godliness, & came down as a vunerable baby.
He did not his omnipotent power at this time. I'm sure Jesus as a baby was not thinking to himself.."I better not talk yet or i'll freak mary & Joseph out!"
He grew up like a normal human being, having the Fathers spirit guiding/protecting him. Ofcourse we do know he did have alot of knowledge as a teenager, as it is written that he went into the temple asking questions & amazing people with his understanding & i think he was 12 around that time.
But if you hear Jesus words. He says the Father shows the son everything he does. He is the Son, & therefore the Father has authority over him. He may have been God on earth. But he did not use his powers because he knew they would have came from his Father & that was NOT his fathers will at the time.
Jesus was born for a purpose. & Yes Jesus is Lord. He is God. But God the Father is different from Jesus.
For it is written:
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. Matthew 16:19
The father has an image. Just not on this earth. Jesus is our Lord on this earth & in heaven because that is the Fathers will.
Understand that he took away apart of his Godliness, & came down as a vunerable baby.
He did not his omnipotent power at this time. I'm sure Jesus as a baby was not thinking to himself.."I better not talk yet or i'll freak mary & Joseph out!"
He grew up like a normal human being, having the Fathers spirit guiding/protecting him. Ofcourse we do know he did have alot of knowledge as a teenager, as it is written that he went into the temple asking questions & amazing people with his understanding & i think he was 12 around that time.
But if you hear Jesus words. He says the Father shows the son everything he does. He is the Son, & therefore the Father has authority over him. He may have been God on earth. But he did not use his powers because he knew they would have came from his Father & that was NOT his fathers will at the time.
Jesus was born for a purpose. & Yes Jesus is Lord. He is God. But God the Father is different from Jesus.
For it is written:
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. Matthew 16:19
The father has an image. Just not on this earth. Jesus is our Lord on this earth & in heaven because that is the Fathers will.
Have you read Isaiah 8: 6 ? For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.... Pretty convincing stuff. But to understand the Word is to truly understand passages like these. Jesus is not God come in the flesh. He constanty told us that His God was talking through Him. His God did the works. His God dwelling inside of Him. On the cross He cried out to His God, My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me? The mystery of the Word is answered in that plea.
L
In Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called the mighty God, than in Isaiah 10:21 YHWH is called mighty God. So I believe this is stating that Jesus is the Second member of the Godhead.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus spoke thee word to the Jewish people who than took up stones to stone Him John 8:59. Why would they want to stone Him by saying "I AM" Jesus was saying I'm God.
Paul says that Jesus is God in Philippians 2:5-8. And yes Jesus did call YHWH, God.
But YHWH calls Jesus God.
Hebrews 1:8-9
8) But unto the Son He saith. Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above they fellows.
(see also Psalms 45:6-7).
I Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
So yes I believe that Jesus is Almighty God come in the flesh, but I believe that He also willingly submits Himself to His Father and calls Him God, just like a woman is equal to a man in marriage but God's mandate is that a man has authority in the marriage.
I Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Many will say that the verse above says God the Father is greater than Christ, no it says the Father has authority over Christ just as in a Christian marriage the woman is equal to the man, but the man has authority over the woman. The only head that is truely greater is Christ the head of man.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus spoke thee word to the Jewish people who than took up stones to stone Him John 8:59. Why would they want to stone Him by saying "I AM" Jesus was saying I'm God.
Paul says that Jesus is God in Philippians 2:5-8. And yes Jesus did call YHWH, God.
But YHWH calls Jesus God.
Hebrews 1:8-9
8) But unto the Son He saith. Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above they fellows.
(see also Psalms 45:6-7).
I Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
So yes I believe that Jesus is Almighty God come in the flesh, but I believe that He also willingly submits Himself to His Father and calls Him God, just like a woman is equal to a man in marriage but God's mandate is that a man has authority in the marriage.
I Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Many will say that the verse above says God the Father is greater than Christ, no it says the Father has authority over Christ just as in a Christian marriage the woman is equal to the man, but the man has authority over the woman. The only head that is truely greater is Christ the head of man.
D
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold,a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
There is only One throne in Heaven according to Scripture, and the lamb sits upon it.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
According to Scripture we serve an invisible God (Col 1:15) and Jesus was God manifest in the flesh (1 Ti 3:16) and he has all of God's attributes (Col 2:9)
Praise God for His Truth through his Scripture and revelation!
There is only One throne in Heaven according to Scripture, and the lamb sits upon it.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
According to Scripture we serve an invisible God (Col 1:15) and Jesus was God manifest in the flesh (1 Ti 3:16) and he has all of God's attributes (Col 2:9)
Praise God for His Truth through his Scripture and revelation!
C
And I saw between the thone with the four living creatures and the elders a Lamb standing as if slain having seven horns and seven eyes which are the sevenfold spirits of God sent out into all the earth. And He (the Lamb) came and He took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Rev. 5:6-7 Two persons here, the Lamb and the One who sits on the throne.
Rev. 5:6-7 Two persons here, the Lamb and the One who sits on the throne.
If he is not the Father then He is not God. Listen to the words of christ.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
According to Jesus there is but One God the Father, and Paul confirms this.
1st Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Do you ignore these plain statements in scripture?
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
According to Jesus there is but One God the Father, and Paul confirms this.
1st Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Do you ignore these plain statements in scripture?
That is also heresy to say there are three god's! That is not what I believe as well you know!
You should read Ageofknowledges post. http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/17328-correct-my-summary-9.html#post355784
Blessings
Phil
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory(1 Timothy 3:16).
The Bible says Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Some people may not understand this for God is bigger than a human body and the Bible says that the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God.
When the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,for it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell,He is given the Spirit without measure,and is the fulness of the Godhead in a bodily manifestation.
We are the same as the Son except He has the fulness of God's attributes where the saints have partial attributes.
The Son,the man Christ Jesus,is the personal human body of God,and the way the saints will see the invisible God for all eternity.God glorified that human body and sits on the throne in heaven in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,for it is the throne of both God and the Lamb.Jesus is God's visible relationship to the saints and the only way the saints will see the invisible in heaven.
The Holy Spirit is God's invisible relationship to the saints.
Matt
The Bible says Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Some people may not understand this for God is bigger than a human body and the Bible says that the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God.
When the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,for it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell,He is given the Spirit without measure,and is the fulness of the Godhead in a bodily manifestation.
We are the same as the Son except He has the fulness of God's attributes where the saints have partial attributes.
The Son,the man Christ Jesus,is the personal human body of God,and the way the saints will see the invisible God for all eternity.God glorified that human body and sits on the throne in heaven in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,for it is the throne of both God and the Lamb.Jesus is God's visible relationship to the saints and the only way the saints will see the invisible in heaven.
The Holy Spirit is God's invisible relationship to the saints.
Matt